Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:30 pm  

Cibaman wrote:

Shame Sky didnt have the decency to cut short Connor's post match interview

Didn't see it. Connor emotional, Sky their usual, sensationalist, poop stirring selves?

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:44 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

From an Everton point of view, Fellaini was simply brilliant. Unplayable today, how he's not at a Champions League club is beyond me. If only the referees would get over his size and let him tackle, he'd dominate the Premier League.

Fellaini was very good, however, how good a striker is Jelavic and where would Everton be if he had joined last August and not on the last day of January??

Moyes has took some criticism from some over his striker signings (Beattie, Johnson, Yakubu, etc), but Jelavic looks an absolute bargain.....The big worry is that he is going to attract some attention from those 'bigger' clubs who sniff around clubs like Everton - An Arsenal, Chelsea, or even a Liverpool are surely going to be interested if he keeps this form up?

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:45 pm  

getdownmonkeyman wrote:

Didn't see it. Connor emotional, Sky their usual, sensationalist, poop stirring selves?

Pretty much spot on.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:27 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Fellaini was very good, however, how good a striker is Jelavic and where would Everton be if he had joined last August and not on the last day of January??

Moyes has took some criticism from some over his striker signings (Beattie, Johnson, Yakubu, etc), but Jelavic looks an absolute bargain.....The big worry is that he is going to attract some attention from those 'bigger' clubs who sniff around clubs like Everton - An Arsenal, Chelsea, or even a Liverpool are surely going to be interested if he keeps this form up?

Nah, all Everton strikers have a run of form before Moyes manages to ruin them.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:40 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Nah, all Everton strikers have a run of form before Moyes manages to ruin them.

He looks a player. Looking at his style, I wish we went for him. He's a finisher through and through, someone put a stat on Twitter before about his goals for Rangers/Everton combined, something like 44 goals scored, 41 of them were one touch efforts, i.e. his only touch was to shoot/head the goal. I was unsure on him coming from Scotland, the competition is rank up there, Samaras is one of the best forwards up there FFS, but he's certainly hit the ground running. But, as you say, just how long will it be 'til he's sat on the bench for not running himself to the ground like every other forward?

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:29 pm  

Going into the game at Old Trafford yesterday I knew there would be a reaction from the there Semi-Final defeat. But once we went 4-2 up i did think game finished. But Everton where outstanding and showed real guts and determination and deserved there draw aided by some awful defending. I do think next week we will be beat City and claim the Premiership.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:24 pm  

on_the_charge wrote:

Going into the game at Old Trafford yesterday I knew there would be a reaction from the there Semi-Final defeat. But once we went 4-2 up i did think game finished. But Everton where outstanding and showed real guts and determination and deserved there draw aided by some awful defending. I do think next week we will be beat City and claim the Premiership.

When you look at them, how many were poor defending? Ferguson claimed all Everton's were soft and all United's were superb moves. Hmm.

The opener was a superb cross from Tony Hibbert which went to the far post. Rafael was in the right position, tight to Jelavic and jumped well. It was just a case of a superb cross, superb finish and a taller attacker.

Everton's second from Fellaini was another superb cross and well executed finish. The defending was pretty slack in not picking up Fellaini for this one. The third one was a ball that came from a headed clearance. Fellaini put pressure on and the defender wasn't able to get a good clearance onto it, but it's hardly poor defending.

The fourth was every bit as good a goal as Rooney's second. Patient, Barcelona-esque build up between Phil Neville, Cahill and Pienaar. The ball into Fellaini from Neville was superb and the movement, turn, pass and finish were all excellent. Great goal.

If anything the soft goals were United's, as at least three of those came from very weak clearances.

Sets it up nicely for next week though as a neutral. Pop corn at the ready. Makes you see just how massive a Grand Final in the Premier League would be. Can you imagine the week building up to that?

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:59 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Fellaini was very good, however, how good a striker is Jelavic and where would Everton be if he had joined last August and not on the last day of January??

Moyes has took some criticism from some over his striker signings (Beattie, Johnson, Yakubu, etc), but Jelavic looks an absolute bargain.....The big worry is that he is going to attract some attention from those 'bigger' clubs who sniff around clubs like Everton - An Arsenal, Chelsea, or even a Liverpool are surely going to be interested if he keeps this form up?

It's alright, according to reports in Janurary, we were after him then but turned him down and then Everton signed him. I honestly don't understand what we were thinking. He looks a steal for Everton at £5M, every game I've watched him he's looked sharp, clincial and always has an eye for goal. His goals yesterday were superb.

It really angers me the way we went about spending the £100M we had at our disposal in the summer, especially when you see foreigners such as Jelavic and Pappis Cisse come over here for pittance and prove to be great buys.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:21 pm  

Lord Tony Smith wrote:

It's alright, according to reports in Janurary, we were after him then but turned him down and then Everton signed him. I honestly don't understand what we were thinking. He looks a steal for Everton at £5M, every game I've watched him he's looked sharp, clincial and always has an eye for goal. His goals yesterday were superb.

It really angers me the way we went about spending the £100M we had at our disposal in the summer, especially when you see foreigners such as Jelavic and Pappis Cisse come over here for pittance and prove to be great buys.

Liverpool's main problem is that Suarez and Carroll (Semi final second half aside) don't seem to work as a partnership. From the Liverpool games I've seen this season Suarez in particular flatters to deceive. He does some very pretty work and makes people ooh and ahh, but it's generally not very productive with it. 8 league goals this season from him at a goal every 285 minutes. He's not even helping set them up with only 5 assists at one every 456 minutes. It's not like Liverpool haven't been creating chances either, they must have had a dozen decent chances against WBA.

So do you sell your two big money strikers, as Suarez is as much of a problem as Carroll, for all his eye catching moves.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:53 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Liverpool's main problem is that Suarez and Carroll (Semi final second half aside) don't seem to work as a partnership. From the Liverpool games I've seen this season Suarez in particular flatters to deceive. He does some very pretty work and makes people ooh and ahh, but it's generally not very productive with it. 8 league goals this season from him at a goal every 285 minutes. He's not even helping set them up with only 5 assists at one every 456 minutes. It's not like Liverpool haven't been creating chances either, they must have had a dozen decent chances against WBA.

So do you sell your two big money strikers, as Suarez is as much of a problem as Carroll, for all his eye catching moves.

Have to disagree - Suarez, for all the baggage that comes with him, is a class act, he's just badly handicapped by the dross around him.

The main problem you, and many others have, is that they view Suarez on his goals return, when its apparent he is a 'support' striker.....Yes, he will provide goals, but not in the amount that a Rooney or Van Persie will give you - In fact, partnering either of those, he would be devastating.

The problem at the moment is that he is carrying Carroll, who through a mixture of his own incompetence and the lack of quality supply to him, is giving virtually nothing to the side.

Liverpool need to urgently bin Carroll (and quite a few others), and find a real scorer in the Jelavic/Cisse/Ba mould, and then this would free Suarez from the pressure he currently has to shoulder.