Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:31 pm  

Looked good to me.

The officials (and commentators) seemed obsessed by whether it struck the ground before he kicked it.

Clearly it did, so that makes it a drop kick ("a kick whereby the ball is dropped from the hands (or hand) and is kicked immediately it rebounds from the ground") rather than a punt, but still legal within the laws of the game.

But then again I imagine dozens of forward passes per game that the officials don't call, so maybe it's my eyes.

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:35 pm  

That wasn't a drop kick, he lost control by of the ball by dropping it and kicked it after it had hit the ground

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:44 pm  

wigan_rlfc wrote:

That wasn't a drop kick, he lost control by of the ball by dropping it and kicked it after it had hit the ground

kicking it after it hit the ground is part of the definition of a drop kick.

nor did he lose control of the ball - he deliberately dropped it with the intention of kicking it.

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:48 pm  

Steve Fox wrote:

kicking it after it hit the ground is part of the definition of a drop kick.

nor did he lose control of the ball - he deliberately dropped it with the intention of kicking it.

He didnt deliverately drop it at all.. stop talking out of your backside - any player who does this only when he is going for the drop out/goal.

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:49 pm  

Of course it wasn't a drop goal attempt he went to kick it and it hit the ground first so it is a knock on. You see the same thing happen when someone loses the ball but kicks it before it hits the ground then it is play on.

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:50 pm  

roversmad wrote:

Of course it wasn't a drop goal attempt he went to kick it and it hit the ground first so it is a knock on. You see the same thing happen when someone loses the ball but kicks it before it hits the ground then it is play on.

If Danny had kicked it before it had the ground, it would have been rightly play on.. but he didnt.

End of chat.

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:58 pm  

Even McGuire and the rest of the Leeds players knew it wasn't a try - they all sprinted back towards the Wigan 10m line after they saw it on the big screen.

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:59 pm  

Mr.Side wrote:

He didnt deliverately drop it at all.. stop talking out of your backside - any player who does this only when he is going for the drop out/goal.

Of course he deliberately dropped it. You might argue that the attentions of the tackler disrupted his timing and turned an intended grubbered punt into a grubbered drop kick but it was still a legal kick and anyway who are the officials to try to read the mind of the player as to what sort of kick he planned? Especially when benefit of the doubt to the attacker is supposed to be applied.

And for the record I've seen plenty of players over the years use little drop kicks as attacking tactics close to the goal line.

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:01 am  

Steve Fox wrote:

Of course he deliberately dropped it. You might argue that the attentions of the tackler disrupted his timing and turned an intended grubbered punt into a grubbered drop kick but it was still a legal kick and anyway who are the officials to try to read the mind of the player as to what sort of kick he planned? Especially when benefit of the doubt to the attacker is supposed to be apply.

And for the record I've seen plenty of players over the years use little drop kicks as attacking tactics close to the goal line.

This could then be when a player drops it, let it bounce for a split second and then kick it...

PLAYYYYYYYYYY ON

Didnt know you guys in Yorkshire made up new rules.. you better ask Clarkey first if the rugby gods will allow them though.

Re: Danny McGuire's disallowed try : Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:03 am  

Looked fine to me. Or it will when I watch it later.