Macca desperate to drop underperforming players : Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:00 am  

See some rather interesting comments here, Note especially the observation that the players are not playing the way they have been coached. Also hints of issues within the team between performers and non-performers, and reasons why more youngsters have not been blooded. Make of it what you will, as always.

See some rather interesting comments here, Note especially the observation that the players are not playing the way they have been coached. Also hints of issues within the team between performers and non-performers, and reasons why more youngsters have not been blooded. Make of it what you will, as always.

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:08 am  

I think a few of the players need to look at themselves and ask if they want to be here. Over the past few weeks there seems to be some attempt at building a team spirit but when it gets tough too many of them are hiding.

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:28 am  

"We’re not doing what we’re being coached. If we did we’d be fine."

Thats a pretty big statement for me. Its a massive and very public vote of confidence for McNamara and his coaching staff and a massive and very public negative towards the players. (Or at least those that are underperforming) You gotta feel for Steve Mc, he must be fuming and some of the plays Bradford make and whilst he can teach the alternatives, he cant always make them put them into practice in a game. I hope Bradford get their team back to full strength soon. It'll be interesting to see who and indeed if Steve Mc does drop?

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:33 am  

I'm sorry, but WHY can't the under performers be dropped?

I've read the article and I can't see a reason WHY. Surely there's young lads in the academy to fill the gaps? Yeah, we might not do any better but we could hardly be doing any worse

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:40 am  

Well that's very interesting!

I completely disagree with the Macca Out theory. I believe that he has the ability as a coach. And he needs to prove himself. He got us into this messy situation and he should be the one to get us out of it. I think he will.

We need to start winning. At half time on Friday I still thought we'd win. Catalans in reverse kinda way. Then Rikki played part in the most bizarre 5 seconds of rugby league play I've ever seen, still thought we'd win until Halley dropped that kick over. That was game over for me.

We've got a much more clinical side near the line than we've had for about 3 years. We just need all our key men to have big games at once. Beaver has been outstanding all season, Sol is so on/off it's unreal, Jefferies has run the show at 6 all season until Wakey and he's been fairly average since then, Sykes is never a stand off in this world and we're very unlucky to have lost Emperor Nero because he was having a blinding season.

As I keep ending my posts atm it's all about Keeping The Faith. You don't turn into a poor side over night. There's some little things going wrong. Very basic things like sliding defense. Granted, on Friday pretty much all the basic things went to pieces and we got hammered. But all the 2 point losses have to count for something, usually a lot going right. 3/5 of the last games have been 2 point losses, Cas (bad 11 minutes, total control before that), Cats (bad 2nd half, total control before that) and Wakefield (3 shocking tackles and a dreadful ball from a scrum and they have 4 tries which should never have been). 3 games that we should have won with a little bit of luck and more intelligent play. It's going to come right at some point. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

Keep the Faith

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:46 am  

The associated question has to be why the Academy and Reserve grade system is not producing sufficient quality for First team level?

It's obvious that Macca is not going to play Olbison, Whitehead, Hide or Crossley unless he is absolutely forced to do so. I accept that you don't really want to be bringing young players into a side when confidence is low and your getting battered every week - but sometimes things don't work out an ideal way, and people have to gradually brought through.

What's the betting that, despite us being garbage against Warrington, that the 19 for St Helens will be the same 16 fit 'senior' players, plus Rinaldi, plus two youngsters who will then miss out of the final 17? In other words, that we'll end up with the same bunch of players who performed so abjectly last week.

Questions about the quality of what goes on at Academy and Reserve level need to be asked - the sole purpose is to produce a steady stream of players for the first team, and it doesn't seem to be happening....

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:01 am  

Roofaldo wrote:

I'm sorry, but WHY can't the under performers be dropped?

I've read the article and I can't see a reason WHY. Surely there's young lads in the academy to fill the gaps? Yeah, we might not do any better but we could hardly be doing any worse

It's a fair question, but I suppose ATEOTD sending out half a squad (as opposed to one or two) kids out to get marmalised by seasoned pros probably isn't the way to develop the youngsters, and might seriously harm them. McNamara has their whole futures to consider.

“Steve has come in after some of these losses and said ‘I’d love to drop some of you lot’.

And we could hardly be doing any worse than the last game, or parts of other games. But then again we could hardly be doing better than the other parts of some of those same games, or the win against Leeds.

“We’re not doing what we’re being coached. If we did we’d be fine".

That quote, and the general tone, says a lot, but I find it difficult to be confident of what it really means. Does it suggest a split in the camp? Solomona, who interestingly looks to weigh more than ever, can hardly hold himself up as the shining example after the previous nightmare game he'd just had.

A small window into the soul of the team, but I'm really not sure exactly what I can see.

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:10 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

A small window into the soul of the team, but I'm really not sure exactly what I can see.

Hmmm

The only thing that I can perceive from these comments in the T&A are that the squad realise that they aren't going to get dropped.

If they know that Macca wants to bring in others, but also know that he isn't going to blood the youngsters, then surely that is going to breed a certain kind of complacency - even arrogance - about their place in the team.

Put it another way - if Macca could say to Solomona 'Either lose two stones and get properly fit, and you won't be playing in the first team until then - in fact, you'll be playing in the Reserve grade until you shape up' - then that would focus the mind a bit....

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:11 am  

paulwalker71 wrote:

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It's obvious that Macca is not going to play Olbison, Whitehead, Hide or Crossley unless he is absolutely forced to do so.

Do you think so? I am sure that several of the young lads would get chances this season, as the season rolled on. But you are 100% right when you say:

...that you don't really want to be bringing young players into a side when confidence is low and your getting battered every week - but sometimes things don't work out an ideal way, and people have to gradually brought through.

In a weird way, our erratic form has probably restricted the opportunities that some of the young lads would otherwise have got.

What's the betting that, despite us being garbage against Warrington, that the 19 for St Helens will be the same 16 fit 'senior' players, plus Rinaldi, plus two youngsters who will then miss out of the final 17? In other words, that we'll end up with the same bunch of players who performed so abjectly last week.

Probably no offers, given the quote from McNamara! But then, if anyone should be out on the field doing penance and seeking absolution the hard way at Knowsley Road, then surely these same players it should be? Having abjectly surrendered to Wire, why should they sit in the stand and watch the reserves taken a hiding? No, to me the same people need to go out and prove they can repeat the effort and application they did against Leeds, it's not a game to blood half a team of teenagers.

paulwalker71 wrote:

...Questions about the quality of what goes on at Academy and Reserve level need to be asked - the sole purpose is to produce a steady stream of players for the first team, and it doesn't seem to be happening....

I disagree, I think we have our fair share. What is disappointing is we haven't (apparently) produced anything special at halfback but everywhere else we do seem to have some very promising talent ether ready for a pop or not that far off. Ironically, if he can slot straight in and perform, Rinaldi can make a difference to any young players if he can organise it so we spend at least a fair part of the game on the front foot.

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:57 am  

The whole "we're not playing how we're coached" should set off alarm bells with anyone. Why aren't we playing how we're coached. What's the reason? Is there disharmony within the squad? Is it a small clique or is it a larger issue? If it's one or two players then the door is that way fellas.