Will we beat Leeds in 2015? : Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:36 pm  

no.

Soundly beaten in the ruck AGAIN and I'm sick of seeing us miss tackles after an offload. We can't handle them.

We are (potentially) going to have another two matches against them and I can't see us winning either of them.

Re: Will we beat Leeds in 2015? : Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:46 pm  

Possibly not. But don't we play them before or after Wembley? Hopefully their minds will be elsewhere.

I don't get it. We can't handle their pace and the speed they play the game at. Yet two are their three props tonight were 38 years old, Burrow, McGuire and Sinfield all over 30. Why can't we come up with a gameplan to prevent it? That's the most worrying thing about tonight. We knew it was coming, the coach knew it was coming and the players all knew it was coming. Yet it came anyway.

For me the most obvious way to beat Leeds is to slow them down. Get number in the tackle, artificially like Wigan do. And fight at the play the ball to keep them down. Tonight they were pushing forward, pinching two or three metres a play the ball, or going over or round the markers. Stop that happening. And get in their faces, stop giving them so much time. You let Burrow and McGuire run laterally across the whole pitch and they will find a gap. And we've got to kick better. It was truly amateurish tonight from everyone who kicked.

Re: Will we beat Leeds in 2015? : Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:55 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Possibly not. But don't we play them before or after Wembley? Hopefully their minds will be elsewhere.

I don't get it. We can't handle their pace and the speed they play the game at. Yet two are their three props tonight were 38 years old, Burrow, McGuire and Sinfield all over 30. Why can't we come up with a gameplan to prevent it? That's the most worrying thing about tonight. We knew it was coming, the coach knew it was coming and the players all knew it was coming. Yet it came anyway.

For me the most obvious way to beat Leeds is to slow them down. Get number in the tackle, artificially like Wigan do. And fight at the play the ball to keep them down. Tonight they were pushing forward, pinching two or three metres a play the ball, or going over or round the markers. Stop that happening. And get in their faces, stop giving them so much time. You let Burrow and McGuire run laterally across the whole pitch and they will find a gap. And we've got to kick better. It was truly amateurish tonight from everyone who kicked.

You forgot about their fantastic offloading game. You need to stop if to slow them down like dire did twice.

Re: Will we beat Leeds in 2015? : Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:59 pm  

Warrington stop the offloads because, they won the collusion, and the overall forward battle. Saints showed more glimpses than in the previous games against Leeds. But, still lost the forward battle IMO.

Re: Will we beat Leeds in 2015? : Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:15 am  

Albion wrote:

no.

Aaah, the old Northern fighting spirit in evidence again, I see.

Soundly beaten in the ruck AGAIN and I'm sick of seeing us miss tackles after an offload. We can't handle them.

You mean the team guys like Walmsley, Sav, Percy, Vea (when on) were punching holes through all night? The side which couldn't have gained more assistance from our two halves had they bribed them with a million pounds pre-game?

In case you don't realise - unbeatable sides shouldn't be clinging onto a four-point lead with twenty minutes to go with the opponent having all the momentum and rightly fancying his chances.

Some of our lads played as well as they have all season tonight. Certainly Sav. Unfortunately fifteen men (who were cut down to thirteen by our rotten injury luck) were badly let down by two.

Sure, some of you can say it wouldn't have made any difference had Vea & Greenwood stayed on, or Walsh made every tackle and kicked into space as often as he put it down Hardaker's throat, or Burns broke the advantage line at any point - but we all know that's pure bull.

Given our complete ineptitude in the halves I'm amazed we played as well as we did.

Re: Will we beat Leeds in 2015? : Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:08 am  

Mugwump wrote:

In case you don't realise - unbeatable sides shouldn't be clinging onto a four-point lead with twenty minutes to go with the opponent having all the momentum and rightly fancying his chances.

Some of our lads played as well as they have all season tonight. Certainly Sav.

Let's be realistic here.

Leeds weren't clinging on to anything. They completely bossed and controlled the majority of the game but for a 15min period in the second half when we scored two.

Savelio was very good, as was Walmsley (Jones and Vea when they were on the pitch were good too) but I think you're being generous about the rest of the pack who were soundly beaten by their opposite numbers.

If you're not able to control Leeds and their offloading game then you will lose.

Re: Will we beat Leeds in 2015? : Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:44 am  

Albion wrote:

Let's be realistic here.

Leeds weren't clinging on to anything. They completely bossed and controlled the majority of the game but for a 15min period in the second half when we scored two.

Savelio was very good, as was Walmsley (Jones and Vea when they were on the pitch were good too) but I think you're being generous about the rest of the pack who were soundly beaten by their opposite numbers.

If you're not able to control Leeds and their offloading game then you will lose.

100% agree. We score flattered us. I bet KC couldn't beleive we was still in that game at half time. They have Been far suppior than us in all three games.

They have better backs, better halves and better pack. We can beat them for sure but Id say they would beat us four times from five.

Leeds are good side and good club.

Re: Will we beat Leeds in 2015? : Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:00 am  

Albion wrote:

Let's be realistic here.

Leeds weren't clinging on to anything .

Are you the Rugby League equivalent to Lord Haw Haw or someone?

When Saints close to 4 (with our starting back row off the pitch, I should add) the game is on. No amount of self-defeatist moping (seriously, why don't you just surrender and do us all a favour? ) changes this fact.

Re: Will we beat Leeds in 2015? : Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:13 am  

Leeds this year are surprising everyone, especially their fans who wrote them off before the season started.
The team itself is what wins games rather than individuals. Tremendous spirit and desire is evident, and Sinfield controls the tempo. When do you see Leeds panic? It's a 80 minute game plan, they stick to

Next season will be different, with the class of players retiring, but this year, they look like they want every trophy available

I suppose Saints will need (prefer) to meet Leeds in the qualifying play off rather than Old Trafford. You won't beat Leeds there, and there's not many Saints fans would disagree

Re: Will we beat Leeds in 2015? : Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:38 am  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

Warrington stop the offloads because, they won the collusion, and the overall forward battle. Saints showed more glimpses than in the previous games against Leeds. But, still lost the forward battle IMO.

Warrington practice the 'dark arts' when playing Leeds. Holding down, plenty of niggle, borderline tactics. It disrupts Leeds' flow. This is how they control the ruck speed against us.

Saints and Leeds don't play the game in this manner.