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should the Bulls ... : Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:21 pm  
be allowed to stay in SL owing this money?

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/sportbulls/
be allowed to stay in SL owing this money?

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/sportbulls/
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Re: should the Bulls ... : Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:41 pm  
No they shouldn't. Its disgusting that they can walk away owing money. I really feel sorry for the creditors.
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Re: should the Bulls ... : Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:28 pm  
They will be in S.L next year....to listen to some people the Bulls are Super League :roll:

I feel sorry for the creditors who won't see a dime...the "People's Team" will leave plenty of people out of pocket.
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Re: should the Bulls ... : Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:43 am  
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Re: should the Bulls ... : Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:34 am  
I have said this loads of times before - if the Bulls was a shoe factory in Odsal, a Pub, A theatre company where people paid to see their shows and loved them - but they spent more than they had negligently and went pop becuase not enough people spent to support the business -
I would argue that nobody except T and A readers would know and similarly, there wouldnt have been pledges and so many special accomodations. It would simply be a case of Market Forces and it is tough out there - the business contracts, premises get smaller, less staff and try and build again or just wrap up.

How a sport can positively bend over backwards to prop up broken businesses is to be credited to a point. But we have now created a situation where Wales and London were and are hugely differently treated. Secondly the last three clubs who went into admin have arguably improved their position - Widnes, Wakey and now the Bulls.

A tactial pre-pack admin looks a great option to lower middle clubs to expunge debt - the on field franchise is not compromised, new-co has exactly the same income, no sanction except current season playing points and starts the following season improved.

Creditors, local businesses in a lot of cases and not huge corporations are lucky to get 10p int he £1 for their faith and credit.

Cannot possibly be allowed and actually rewarded? Surely - although I expect that to happen, but with a hasty off season rule change to mean that anyone else in the Bulls situation is treated extremely differently in future.
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Re: should the Bulls ... : Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:18 am  
mdean wrote:
I have said this loads of times before - if the Bulls was a shoe factory in Odsal, a Pub, A theatre company where people paid to see their shows and loved them - but they spent more than they had negligently and went pop becuase not enough people spent to support the business -
I would argue that nobody except T and A readers would know and similarly, there wouldnt have been pledges and so many special accomodations. It would simply be a case of Market Forces and it is tough out there - the business contracts, premises get smaller, less staff and try and build again or just wrap up.

How a sport can positively bend over backwards to prop up broken businesses is to be credited to a point. But we have now created a situation where Wales and London were and are hugely differently treated. Secondly the last three clubs who went into admin have arguably improved their position - Widnes, Wakey and now the Bulls.

A tactial pre-pack admin looks a great option to lower middle clubs to expunge debt - the on field franchise is not compromised, new-co has exactly the same income, no sanction except current season playing points and starts the following season improved.

Creditors, local businesses in a lot of cases and not huge corporations are lucky to get 10p int he £1 for their faith and credit.

Cannot possibly be allowed and actually rewarded? Surely - although I expect that to happen, but with a hasty off season rule change to mean that anyone else in the Bulls situation is treated extremely differently in future.


Excellently put there :CLAP:
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Re: should the Bulls ... : Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:39 am  
mdean wrote:
Secondly the last three clubs who went into admin have arguably improved their position - Widnes, Wakey and now the Bulls.


Except that Widnes and Wakey took their medicine and worked hard to recover - we've yet to see if Bradford will do the same.

I remain flabberghasted that they've emerged from all of this not having sold a single player and are being applauded for battling for 8th spot, despite doing so with players that are only available to them through the largesse of their fans, the governing body and a significant cohort of past players, not to mention the assistance of other club chairmen. I can only assume that as Eddie keeps reminding us, SL needs the Bradford Bulls.
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Re: should the Bulls ... : Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:50 am  
Cheers Chris -

Bren, I agree Widnes and Wakey had more medicine to take seemingly, but it is not arguable that they have improved their franchise and "on field" position by removing debt and forming new-co.
SL needs the Bulls like the SPL needs Rangers, The Premier League needed LUFC, Pompey and like the football league needed Wimbledon.
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Re: should the Bulls ... : Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:14 am  
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Except that Widnes and Wakey took their medicine and worked hard to recover - we've yet to see if Bradford will do the same.

I remain flabberghasted that they've emerged from all of this not having sold a single player and are being applauded for battling for 8th spot, despite doing so with players that are only available to them through the largesse of their fans, the governing body and a significant cohort of past players, not to mention the assistance of other club chairmen. I can only assume that as Eddie keeps reminding us, SL needs the Bradford Bulls.


Yes the governing body (and others) really have bent over backwards for the Bulls, this great game of ours was formed on fair play,honesty and integrity and is now being ruined by the muppets that run it.

I won't visit Odsal again thats for sure.
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Re: should the Bulls ... : Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:21 am  
bren2k wrote:
Except that Widnes and Wakey took their medicine and worked hard to recover - we've yet to see if Bradford will do the same.

I remain flabberghasted that they've emerged from all of this not having sold a single player and are being applauded for battling for 8th spot, despite doing so with players that are only available to them through the largesse of their fans, the governing body and a significant cohort of past players, not to mention the assistance of other club chairmen. I can only assume that as Eddie keeps reminding us, SL needs the Bradford Bulls.


You and me both....I can only assume SLE had a quiet word with clubs about the view to be taken on any 'exploitation' (for Wakey/Crusaders read capitalisation) of Bradford's situation.
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