Re: Licences - At least 1 SL club to go // Fate decided in July : Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:40 pm  

the_grobs wrote:

No but it is supposed based on a game played in front of 'home and visiting' fans. How does Quinns, Salford, Catalan or Crusaders do in terms of the away fans they take?

Clearly not as many as you would like, but then we're not bunched up together on the M62 are we???

Re: Licences - At least 1 SL club to go // Fate decided in July : Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:41 pm  

The Lambeth Quin wrote:

Based on what? Your myopic "rugby league is a local sport for local people" bias??

Based on the fact Quins have no money, no fans and don't contribute to the competition in terms of top 8 finishes, going head to head on the franchise criteria, Quins are one of the (if not the) weakest teams in the league.

[Bullseye]

Re: Licences - At least 1 SL club to go // Fate decided in July : Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:42 pm  

All I can say is good luck. SL would be poorer without Cas and/or Wakey.

Re: Licences - At least 1 SL club to go // Fate decided in July : Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:51 pm  

Gaslight wrote:

Based on the fact Quins have no money, no fans and don't contribute to the competition in terms of top 8 finishes, going head to head on the franchise criteria, Quins are one of the (if not the) weakest teams in the league.

The same can be said of most of SL at some stage. Giants for example perenial under achievers , using you top 8 finished criteria, but now make a go of establishing themselves amongst the SL "Elite". As for no money that goes for most of the SL clubs who survive on the goodwill of deep pocketed owners and board members.

I'm not saysing all at Quins is a bed of roses. It is not. But the same can be said for many of the current SL clubs in regard to finances and stagnant crowd figures.

Whilst the naysayers and myopic amongst the northern supporter base remain so the game will not improve at either local nor imternational level. England and English rugby league will remain in it's current malaise and I would argue in the long term even go backwards. But as long as you got your M62 corridor to travel along tpo play your "local sport for local people" the myopic northern supporter will remain happy. Wont' they?

Re: Licences - At least 1 SL club to go // Fate decided in July : Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:55 pm  

the_grobs wrote:

How does Quinns, Salford, Catalan or Crusaders do in terms of the away fans they take?

I've never understood this argument. In terms of crowds, the onus should be on the home team to market games and pull punters through the door; not the away team to prop them up.

I'd rather Quins put their efforts into increasing home crowds rather than trying to persuade their fans to take on the M1/A1 every fortnight, often on a Friday night.

Re: Licences - At least 1 SL club to go // Fate decided in July : Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:20 pm  

the_grobs wrote: No but it is supposed based on a game played in front of 'home and visiting' fans. How does Quinns, Salford, Catalan or Crusaders do in terms of the away fans they take? Better than Cas or Wakey in some cases, http://www.slstats.org/Away.html

the_grobs wrote: No but it is supposed based on a game played in front of 'home and visiting' fans. How does Quinns, Salford, Catalan or Crusaders do in terms of the away fans they take? Better than Cas or Wakey in some cases, http://www.slstats.org/Away.html

Re: Licences - At least 1 SL club to go // Fate decided in July : Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:24 pm  

The Lambeth Quin wrote:

The same can be said of most of SL at some stage. Giants for example perenial under achievers , using you top 8 finished criteria, but now make a go of establishing themselves amongst the SL "Elite". As for no money that goes for most of the SL clubs who survive on the goodwill of deep pocketed owners and board members.

I'm not saysing all at Quins is a bed of roses. It is not. But the same can be said for many of the current SL clubs in regard to finances and stagnant crowd figures.

Whilst the naysayers and myopic amongst the northern supporter base remain so the game will not improve at either local nor imternational level. England and English rugby league will remain in it's current malaise and I would argue in the long term even go backwards. But as long as you got your M62 corridor to travel along tpo play your "local sport for local people" the myopic northern supporter will remain happy. Wont' they?

All that is very well but where is the support for the game in London and Wales??
Are they all hiding ??

Fact is buddy outside the M62 corridor and a few fanatics in France, nobody else wants the game, so why try and force it on them ?

Re: Licences - At least 1 SL club to go // Fate decided in July : Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:37 pm  

The Lambeth Quin wrote:

Based on what? Your myopic "rugby league is a local sport for local people" bias??

Based on the fact that the RFL had to invent a "nearest neighbours" category on the franchise applications to get you enough points to get you in in the first place.

Don't take it personally but it is a Northern sport and as has been proven time and again selling it to other areas just doesn't work.

Re: Licences - At least 1 SL club to go // Fate decided in July : Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:55 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote: Better than Cas or Wakey in some cases, http://www.slstats.org/Away.html Please don't insult me with those stats because they are a joke!!! Have you seen those attendances???? What are they.... Murrayfield magic full day attendances divided by the number of teams who played on that entire day? Or does every team get 40,000 or so to add to their averages? a joke!

Rogues Gallery wrote: Better than Cas or Wakey in some cases, http://www.slstats.org/Away.html Please don't insult me with those stats because they are a joke!!! Have you seen those attendances???? What are they.... Murrayfield magic full day attendances divided by the number of teams who played on that entire day? Or does every team get 40,000 or so to add to their averages? a joke!

Re: Licences - At least 1 SL club to go // Fate decided in July : Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:09 pm  

the_grobs wrote:

Please don't insult me with those stats because they are a joke!!! Have you seen those attendances???? What are they.... Murrayfield magic full day attendances divided by the number of teams who played on that entire day?



Or does every team get 40,000 or so to add to their averages? a joke!

Just calculated it. It is all their away game attendance and Murrayfield Magic divided by 12.

Considering Wigan themselves marketed the game out of it and got an 18k crowd, Warrington's first home game of the season (11k), and five figure crowds for Saints, Leeds and Hull FC would explain why it is so high.

Taking out MM takes it down to 9447. It is highly flawed, however, we do have a massive crowd against Saints to come.