Re: Leeds £40K fine coming? : Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:50 am  

Rhino Roy wrote:

chants you can hear at the jungle:

To James Graham - red haired bugger...your just a red haired bugger.....red haired bugger
To David Solomona - You chubby bugger....you chubby bugger
To Sean Long - Where's your mobile home.... where's your mobile home
To Steve Ganson - Who's the fatherless person in the black ?

no you are wrong- they are chants you would hear at the majority of rl grounds in the country including headingley,do you get it yet nobody disputes the chanting but why do the rfl choose to punish 1 club and not the rest if thats not discrimination then i dont know what is.the same could be said for the bottle throwing that we were charged with but twice including once at cas leeds were aloud to get away with again one rule for one one rule for the other,on both occasions both sets of fans were wrong and behaved like spoilt children.

i have no problem with leeds and the southstanders they give has good has they get with cas so long has its left to singing and its not in your face.

Re: Leeds £40K fine coming? : Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:55 am  

phil stone wrote:

The same can be said about the use of the N word. Rappers and their followers use it all the time but let a white person use it and god help them (oh that's not PC either is it?)

It's called context, words take on different meanings depending on where they are said and whom they are said by. Black people calling each other the N word is quite clearly a joke because black people are unlikely to hate black people and believe that they are racially inferior to everyone else.

Taking the mick out of someone's sexuality is quite clearly more offensive than taking the mick out of someone's hair colour or weight, it really shouldn't need explaining, but I will do. When was being ginger illegal? How many people have been beaten up and killed for being ginger? How many people have been put in prison for being ginger? How many people have been disowned by their families for being ginger? How many people have committed suicide because they are ginger? How many states here today in the 21st century specify the death penalty for being ginger in their penal codes? How many ginger people in Britain can say that if by chance they had instead been born in the Middle East they could be publicly executed for their hair colour?

There's a reason why homophobia is more dangerous and offensive than prejudice towards ginger people, think it through.

Re: Leeds £40K fine coming? : Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:07 am  

Dan155 wrote: There's a reason why homophobia is more dangerous and offensive than prejudice towards ginger people, think it through. Try telling that to a ginger kid who gets bullied at school if he isnt offended or abused by it, and if you still think that its ok, then look at what these mothers have to deal with every day

Dan155 wrote: There's a reason why homophobia is more dangerous and offensive than prejudice towards ginger people, think it through. Try telling that to a ginger kid who gets bullied at school if he isnt offended or abused by it, and if you still think that its ok, then look at what these mothers have to deal with every day

Re: Leeds £40K fine coming? : Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:10 am  

Speedy wrote:

Try telling that to a ginger kid who gets bullied at school if he isnt offended or abused by it,

I didn't say that abuse towards ginger people wasn't offensive, I said that homophobic abuse was more dangerous and more offensive, the key word for me being dangerous.

Re: Leeds £40K fine coming? : Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:14 am  

Being ginger is not a bad thing and is of course, like being black (or as we are told gay) something you are born with!

Ginger kids are taunted and do suffer as a consequence, my two children are ginger and I can tell you from first hand experience, such taunts and jokes can be quite damaging and life changing, so to say it's not the same as gay or racist taunts, is quite wrong.

It would of course be just wrong to fine the Leeds club for the insults aimed at Graham, as was the fine imposed on the Castleford club for the insults aimed at the Welsh guy, but if the RFL are to be consistent then each and every RL club could be fined every week for such things.
The RFL have opened up a can of worms here and should "come out" and support the Castleford club for their inclusive policy and admit they were wrong to fine them, as the club did do all in their powers to stop the chants in question.

I have to say I've heard much worse chanted over my years of watching the game and whilst I dislike such chants, at least the Castleford club have and are still making every effort to stop such incidents, not sure if the same can be said of every other club, as we all witnessed watching last night's game on Sky.

Re: Leeds £40K fine coming? : Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:21 am  

Good thread this.

Re: Leeds £40K fine coming? : Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:28 am  

Dan155 wrote:

I didn't say that abuse towards ginger people wasn't offensive, I said that homophobic abuse was more dangerous and more offensive, the key word for me being dangerous.

The thing with saying 'MORE' offensive is it's opening a sliding scale of what can and can't be said.

Re: Leeds £40K fine coming? : Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:51 am  

Dan155 wrote: I didn't say that abuse towards ginger people wasn't offensive, I said that homophobic abuse was more dangerous and more offensive, the key word for me being dangerous. Why is it more dangerous ? The problem is victimisation no matter who it is, The point of this thread is that there will be nothing said to Leeds or a fine imposed to Leeds, you know that and i know that (and so they shouldnt), But once you set a precident than it must be done fairly and across the board, Cas fans aren't intent on Leeds getting fined or any other club for that matter, the point is Cas have been fined 40k which is ridiculous and if it was Leeds or any other club i would say the same. Castleford cannot stop people chanting as much as Leeds or anyone else can, whether we like it or not (look at football when a certain spice girl was supposed to have taken something in a different orafice) what could be done about it.. Nothing, What was done about it Nothing. The differance is that Football have millions upon millions to take the FA to court, Rugby teams dont and it can break them. But the chanting that Leeds did was clearly audible and could / has upset some people with ginger hair or maybe someone who's father has done a runner. Do they get any come back, obviously not in your eyes, "its banter thats all", Dont you think maybe it was banter at Cas, did anyone turn up with anti gay slogans at the match ? did anyone stand outside waiting for him to come out of the changing rooms to shout abuse at him ? No (maybe they were frightened to) but maybe just maybe it is the same banter, but some people today can't accept that and want blood, well fine, It must be across the board for everyone, but there is more consistancy in our lasses pudding mix than the RFL have in them, The bandwagon is rolling and quite a few are jumping on board but the danger is not the homophobic chants, the danger is that the RFL are becoming a dictitoral body, who have the power to cost clubs dearly, how can they justify 40k, who dreamed this figure up, look at this this was systematic abuse by his own mother, 250 quid not 40,000, there was proof who did it, There isnt a hope in hell of finding who chanted at Cas no more than people being identified at Leeds for chanting at Graham or the Ref. I believe Cas have to go through the appeal process (which will fail, i know it, and so does every one else) but then must take it further to the courts

Dan155 wrote: I didn't say that abuse towards ginger people wasn't offensive, I said that homophobic abuse was more dangerous and more offensive, the key word for me being dangerous. Why is it more dangerous ? The problem is victimisation no matter who it is, The point of this thread is that there will be nothing said to Leeds or a fine imposed to Leeds, you know that and i know that (and so they shouldnt), But once you set a precident than it must be done fairly and across the board, Cas fans aren't intent on Leeds getting fined or any other club for that matter, the point is Cas have been fined 40k which is ridiculous and if it was Leeds or any other club i would say the same. Castleford cannot stop people chanting as much as Leeds or anyone else can, whether we like it or not (look at football when a certain spice girl was supposed to have taken something in a different orafice) what could be done about it.. Nothing, What was done about it Nothing. The differance is that Football have millions upon millions to take the FA to court, Rugby teams dont and it can break them. But the chanting that Leeds did was clearly audible and could / has upset some people with ginger hair or maybe someone who's father has done a runner. Do they get any come back, obviously not in your eyes, "its banter thats all", Dont you think maybe it was banter at Cas, did anyone turn up with anti gay slogans at the match ? did anyone stand outside waiting for him to come out of the changing rooms to shout abuse at him ? No (maybe they were frightened to) but maybe just maybe it is the same banter, but some people today can't accept that and want blood, well fine, It must be across the board for everyone, but there is more consistancy in our lasses pudding mix than the RFL have in them, The bandwagon is rolling and quite a few are jumping on board but the danger is not the homophobic chants, the danger is that the RFL are becoming a dictitoral body, who have the power to cost clubs dearly, how can they justify 40k, who dreamed this figure up, look at this this was systematic abuse by his own mother, 250 quid not 40,000, there was proof who did it, There isnt a hope in hell of finding who chanted at Cas no more than people being identified at Leeds for chanting at Graham or the Ref. I believe Cas have to go through the appeal process (which will fail, i know it, and so does every one else) but then must take it further to the courts

Re: Leeds £40K fine coming? : Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:01 am  

Dear Sir/madam

After watching last nights fantastic game between St Helens V Leeds I would like express my concern about some of the chanting directed by fans of the Leeds Rhinos towards James Graham and the match official.

On 2 occasions during the first half you could clearly hear the Rhinos fans directing a song at James Graham calling him a " fat ginger bstard ".

In the 2nd half you could clearly hear the Rhinos fans directing another abusive chant at Richard Silverwood in which they reffered to him as a "wnker".

I am sure you can apprieciate that watching the game with my 2 year old son I was not happy to hear such language on my tv so long before the 9pm water shed.

Now the with the example made of the Castleford Tigers club this week I can only presume that simular action will be taken against the Leeds club for each of these incidents. Or do the effected people have to start a media campaign against the Rhinos for the RFL to take action.

What I would like to know is the following.

Do the RFL see the abuse of James Graham and Richard Silverwood as less serious as the abuse of Gareth Thomas at Castleford?

Was the respect cd played by the Leeds Rhinos staff after the abuse as this was not heard on the TV?

Just to let you know I am ginger and did find the chanting extremley offensive and as previously mentioned I was watching with my 2 year old son so the language used was not acceptable.

I hope you will take the fact that I am offended seriously and not disregard it. But I do suspect the fact I dont have a platform through the national media that you will not be interested wether I am offended or not.

I look foward to your prompt reply.

Kind regards

Re: Leeds £40K fine coming? : Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:14 am  

Speedy wrote: Try telling that to a ginger kid who gets bullied at school if he isnt offended or abused by it, and if you still think that its ok, then look at what these mothers have to deal with every day Your right speedy, i work in a school. There's a young lad in year 9 who as gone through school being a lovely red/ginger hair colour. Last week i didn't recognise him, he'd dyed is hair black, now i wonder why he did that hey.

Speedy wrote: Try telling that to a ginger kid who gets bullied at school if he isnt offended or abused by it, and if you still think that its ok, then look at what these mothers have to deal with every day Your right speedy, i work in a school. There's a young lad in year 9 who as gone through school being a lovely red/ginger hair colour. Last week i didn't recognise him, he'd dyed is hair black, now i wonder why he did that hey.