Re: Youngster jumps ship : Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:53 pm  

was talking to a former cas junior coach this morn - the poop has hit the fan this year with coaches and players. there is a good reason for them leaving , the current management are total muppets , thats the general opinion.

Re: Youngster jumps ship : Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:16 pm  

tttiger wrote:

the current management are total muppets

Who exatly are these muppets.

Re: Youngster jumps ship : Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:24 pm  

well they never mentioned miss piggy or kermit the frog ! but one looks like a porker and the other is green as grass. dont want to get the bloke who told me this into hot water so wont mention names - but good coaches,i was told of 6 including 2 now at fev , 2 at gateshed, 1 at wake who is indeed well respected in youth circles and 1 well known ex player, aswell some very handy young players have all gone elsewhere and they reckon more could follow due to shoddyness and unprofessional people.
I suppose every club must have these problems , but always thought cas was one of the best in this area.

[tb]

Re: Youngster jumps ship : Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:04 am  

Obviously you're source is unreliable. Leigh fans told us in no uncertain terms earlier this year that no championship team other than Widnes is allowed to run scholarships or youth development teams.

Re: Youngster jumps ship : Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:42 pm  

tttiger wrote:

dawson is a winger - from what i recall he has great potential, saw him play academy last year and have some great games, bit steady this year but the under 20s was a poor outfit overall . this could bite cas big time . I reckon this lad has potential , not the finished product but could be.
It seems cas can only see the obvious starlets like westerman/owen/milner (anyone who has ever watched the game could see that they are worth a shot) but the inability to recognise potential in players like dawson is a worry.

Dear misinformed, if you believe that the under 20s was a poor team then you need to look more closely, the youngest team in the competition and players been developed in the right way and yes they all have another one two or three years left in that competition. If you are result minded then you must be an even bigger moron than your comment seems to suggest. Academy competition is about developing players not winning.

If Matty Dawson makes it at Huddersfield good luck to the lad, have you considered that Castleford may have made the right decision for Castleford and in the lads own interest.

Re: Youngster jumps ship : Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:02 pm  

tttiger wrote:

well they never mentioned miss piggy or kermit the frog ! but one looks like a porker and the other is green as grass. dont want to get the bloke who told me this into hot water so wont mention names - but good coaches,i was told of 6 including 2 now at fev , 2 at gateshed, 1 at wake who is indeed well respected in youth circles and 1 well known ex player, aswell some very handy young players have all gone elsewhere and they reckon more could follow due to shoddyness and unprofessional people.
I suppose every club must have these problems , but always thought cas was one of the best in this area.

You do appear to read like a former Castleford Tigers scholarship coach with an axe to grind, as a guy once told me it is not about the scholarship players you have, it is about those players all clubs sign at 16 wether on a scholarship or not.

For arguments sake have you considered that Castleford may be happy that those coaches left even by there own accord, and do you truly believe that it is Gatesheads gain and Castlefords loss, that tells me you know nothing or you are simply blowing up there ****

If you consider good coaches to be those amateur coaches that have left to be replaced by Lee crookes and James Ford that tells me then Castleford may just finally be getting it right.

Do you really believe that it truly inspires scholarship players lets say for instance from Castleford Panthers under 15s to be coached by the Stanley Rangers under 15 coach I think not, would a under player be more inspired that he was going to be coached by a former player of the stature of Lee crookes I think yes.

As for the well respected coach at Wakefield who the hell says that, he coached Normanton Under 16s can we have a dose of reality please.

I would suggest that if you have a problem as your post suggests Steven Gill will give you time to express your concerns but you wont do that will you, you will snipe away on this forum. GROW UP MAN you've left

Re: Youngster jumps ship : Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:37 am  

I have never been "employed" by the club so have not left as you put it.
I do speak to people who are/have been and the general opinion is one of a club that has appointed incompetent people into key positions. I then see that many well respected coaches have left and young players who appear to have great potential are leaving too. I see certain players and chat , 1 in particular worked nearby and has recently joined another super league club. His account of things at cas would suggest he couldn't wait to get away from the person YOU mentioned above as most of the decent people are leaving/have left. (he did speak highly of thornton and his assistant burnett)

As for coaches that have left, your post is reminiscent of a jilted teenage girl after been dumped "i never loved you anyway-so there" !
All the coaches I refer to in my post have been very successful in their chosen area/age groups, particularly the guy from normy who played a key role in bringing current 1st team players to the club,he is now at another superleague club plying his trade, so some reality there for you. The lads from stanley have now been recruited by Paul sculthorpe to work in his coaching organisation which is also very successful , and 2 others have gained senior coaching roles in the championship ! but you suggest they aren't worthy of cas scholarship/youth set up. Maybe its your knowledge that should be in question here.

Looking over your virgin posts , welcome by the way , i have a fair idea that you are an employee of the club and indeed could even be one of Jim Hensons very own. I do hope that rw is happy for his staff to while away the hours posting and reacting to fans observations instead of working with the future stars of the club. Nice one .
maybe that time could be spent getting your scholarship manager some kind of coaching badge/qualification before the rfl/parents start asking questions.

Re: Youngster jumps ship : Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:24 am  

Dear misinformed if you read the post correctly I never stated that you had in fact been employed at Castleford Tigers, rather that you do appear to read like a disgruntled former employee, I suggest you read your own posts you may agree they could be read that way.
I also like the way you deflect your own criticism now onto others who you have spoken to which has given you a general opinion.
You state “All the coaches I refer to in my post have been very successful in their chosen area/age groups, particularly the guy from normy who played a key role in bringing current 1st team players to the club, he is now at another super league club plying his trade, so some reality there for you”. I applaud there success and what they have achieved at amateur level but let us have some perspective here as there are many successful coaches in the amateur game but I doubt that they would consider themselves successful having coached or coaching a scholarship, but if that is how you measure success so be it.
As for the two coaches going to Gateshead I merely offer an opinion opposite to your own and I feel that they like other Gateshead coaches before them will fail, I do hope that I am wrong.
As a lifelong supporter of Wakefield Trinity (old school) I resent that you would consider me to be an employee of our bitterest rivals.
Finally in relation to the coach from Normanton plying his trade at Wakefield it is noticeable that in 2009 the U18s won the academy championship, it would be fair to say that in 2010 the performances of the under 18s were not as good as the previous year. That would not be a coaching problem in your eyes rather a recruitment problem. Although a good coach once said good coaches cut there cloth to suit.

I feel like a fisherman and you took the bate.

Re: Youngster jumps ship : Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:27 pm  

so you are a wildcat who happens to jump to the defence of the youth policies at cas -

"Dear misinformed, if you believe that the under 20s was a poor team then you need to look more closely, the youngest team in the competition and players been developed in the right way and yes they all have another one two or three years left in that competition"

you have an indepth knowledge of the clubs scholarship staff -despite ford not being announced yet !

"If you consider good coaches to be those amateur coaches that have left to be replaced by Lee crookes and James Ford that tells me then Castleford may just finally be getting it right"

and you dont really think you have to be successful to coach scholarship -

"I doubt that they would consider themselves successful having coached or coaching a scholarship"

sudden change in stance and indeed status in your latest post ,is it not. Wonder what brought that on ?
Maybe things getting a little close to home.
whos pulling the wool over whoms eyes now !

[tb]

Re: Youngster jumps ship : Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:36 pm  

Have I wandered on to casforum by mistake?