Re: Dane Tilse : Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:36 pm  

Iggy79 wrote:

From the outside looking in, Tilse always seems to play long stints, and looks knackered for a while before he's brought off. He'd probably be more effective if he had 2 shorter spells each game

But this is going to be more important soon. Is it 2017 when the number of interchanges is going to drop again? Forwards need to be able to play for longer. That's one reason why other teams big packs may struggle soon.

Re: Dane Tilse : Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:16 am  

Gallanteer wrote:

But this is going to be more important soon. Is it 2017 when the number of interchanges is going to drop again? Forwards need to be able to play for longer. That's one reason why other teams big packs may struggle soon.

You Have a good point, thought I read that Chester was building a fast lightweight pack that would bother bigger teams to take account of less interchanges? it was not his fault that the clubs stayed with the interchanges. The NRL went down to 10 & 8 next year that's why the likes of Frank Pritchard & Dave Tylor turned up in Super league as well as some more retired early in Aus. As I have said our side is to light especially for weather like Saturday. They are also on the young side up front (except Tilse) we just need a pair of nasty old heads like Hock Hansen & Tickle. I would have thought JP would have understood that? or did he learn nothing at Leeds.

Re: Dane Tilse : Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:28 pm  

Having watched the game again - Larroyer was at best poor for you and we targeted Tilse making him work very hard, he was knackered.

Re: Dane Tilse : Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:38 am  

I keep reading about this plan for a light but mobile pack. It may someone's grand design but I'm more likely to believe it was just a justification for the pack we ended up with.
But the players are only half the job, to make the plan work we need to play the right game. If we are to tire the oppositions bigger, nastier forwards out then we've got to move them around a lot more than we do. We won't do that with conventional rugby, one man drives from first receiver into three man tackles.
Can we risk playing a more expansive game, keeping the ball alive, offloads, quick play the balls, intelligent kicking, dummy runners? I'm not convinced we can, we'd make too many errors and give the opposition time to recover. That wouldn't have been the answer v Leigh in those conditions anyway.
We seem to always be aiming for less errors ( presumably by playing a more conservative game) and a good start, when the lighter pack plan surely needs a more expansive game and capitalise on our advantage later on when their forwards tire, completely the reverse of what we are setting out to do. Right players, wrong game plan?

Re: Dane Tilse : Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:30 pm  

Leigh understood that in the conditions (monsoon) both teams were going to make mistakes (which they did). Leigh started to kick the ball early and attack the ball defensively, meaning the game was played in our half of the field and allowing them to capitalise on our mistakes. Webbo didn't get the tactics right, this wasn't a game for completing sets it was a game for kicking the ball down the field.

Re: Dane Tilse : Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:09 pm  

Grimsby Red wrote:

Leigh understood that in the conditions (monsoon) both teams were going to make mistakes (which they did). Leigh started to kick the ball early and attack the ball defensively, meaning the game was played in our half of the field and allowing them to capitalise on our mistakes. Webbo didn't get the tactics right, this wasn't a game for completing sets it was a game for kicking the ball down the field.

After the first 20 mins, we coughed the ball up more times than I could remember. Our line speed and intensity dropped, we allowed them to make easy yards out of their 20 and compounded sloppy play with idiotic penalties. When Leigh coughed up the ball, we usually gave it back to them again early in the tackle count.

We were pants and deservedly lost. I agree that the gameplan was not ideal, but after 20 mins, we either didn't stick to it due to errors or failed to adapt to worsening conditions and increasing Leigh momentum. A lack of a Plan B was evident.

Re: Dane Tilse : Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:39 am  

Pickering Red wrote:

After the first 20 mins, we coughed the ball up more times than I could remember. Our line speed and intensity dropped, we allowed them to make easy yards out of their 20 and compounded sloppy play with idiotic penalties. When Leigh coughed up the ball, we usually gave it back to them again early in the tackle count.

We were pants and deservedly lost. I agree that the gameplan was not ideal, but after 20 mins, we either didn't stick to it due to errors or failed to adapt to worsening conditions and increasing Leigh momentum. A lack of a Plan B was evident.

TO be honest I do not think webster has a A plan nether mind a B plan he is out of is depth he was a good player but a bad coach

Re: Dane Tilse : Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:43 am  

Tilse sidestepped AGAIN to miss a try saving tackle. It's turning into an average of one a game. Is he simply TOO tall?

Re: Dane Tilse : Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:06 am  

Gallanteer wrote:

Tilse sidestepped AGAIN to miss a try saving tackle. It's turning into an average of one a game. Is he simply TOO tall?

Shock horror a prop forward gets sidestepped by a back look I know you don't rate Tilse but the people who don't rate Tilse often think Green is great when in reality there the same player

Re: Dane Tilse : Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:09 pm  

Beverley red wrote:

You Have a good point, thought I read that Chester was building a fast lightweight pack that would bother bigger teams to take account of less interchanges? it was not his fault that the clubs stayed with the interchanges. The NRL went down to 10 & 8 next year that's why the likes of Frank Pritchard & Dave Tylor turned up in Super league as well as some more retired early in Aus. As I have said our side is to light especially for weather like Saturday. They are also on the young side up front (except Tilse) we just need a pair of nasty old heads like Hock Hansen & Tickle. I would have thought JP would have understood that? or did he learn nothing at Leeds.

a PAIR of nasty old heads like hock,hanson and tickle