Salford : Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:47 pm  

Terrible first half. No leader. Dobson is killing us.

Re: Salford : Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:05 pm  

I expected this from Salford, but why can't we string together at least two good performances? But anyway I won't speak too soon... We might win yet!

Re: Salford : Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:45 pm  

OOPS

Re: Salford : Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:54 pm  

Don't worry peacocks got a 5 year plan don't you know

[Mild Rover]

Re: Salford : Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:57 pm  

DropDeadFred wrote:

I expected this from Salford, but why can't we string together at least two good performances? But anyway I won't speak too soon... We might win yet!

Two simple, fundamental and linked deficiencies - quality and intensity.

Re: Salford : Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:04 pm  

You can't win em all I suppose. But still it's frustrating this season. Very. I have faith in this "5 year plan" and I'm certain we will survive this season, it's just agonising at times. We never seem to have the same grunt, desire, or attitude as other teams and as a supporter it's tough. But hey, I'm an optimist, we will be great once more... Mark my words.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Salford : Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:17 pm  

hull2524 wrote:

Don't worry peacocks got a 5 year plan don't you know

From what saw of the forum, I thought Peacock spoke very well and put a bit of flesh on the bones of the 5YP.

He's clearly determined that come Hell or high water, we're going to break the cycle of short-termism and put some firmer, more rigid structures in place.

And that's great, but every choice is a sacrifice. If we're going to be less flexible, stay out the loan market, have a medium- to long-term focus in recruitment and retention, then that carries risks. Everything carries risks, so again that is fine - but I think they need to be acknowledged.

He challenged a guy as to why playing 'kids' could or would see us relegated. The risk is (obviously) that playing inexperienced players, in a team that really can't afford to carry anything even vaguely resembling a passenger, might mean we're simply not good enough this year. And the outcome of this year will clearly impact on the plan.

Knowing that we, as fans, can choose to buy in or not. Despite my reservations, I am. We've just got to survive this and then maybe, the plan will bear fruit. I just about prefer that to the old model - though ask me again in October, and I might have changed my mind.

Re: Salford : Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:23 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

From what saw of the forum, I thought Peacock spoke very well and put a bit of flesh on the bones of the 5YP.

He's clearly determined that come Hell or high water, we're going to break the cycle of short-termism and put some firmer, more rigid structures in place.

And that's great, but every choice is a sacrifice. If we're going to be less flexible, stay out the loan market, have a medium- to long-term focus in recruitment and retention, then that carries risks. Everything carries risks, so again that is fine - but I think they need to be acknowledged.

He challenged a guy as to why playing 'kids' could or would see us relegated. The risk is (obviously) that playing inexperienced players, in a team that really can't afford to carry anything even vaguely resembling a passenger, might mean we're simply not good enough this year. And the outcome of this year will clearly impact on the plan.

Knowing that we, as fans, can choose to buy in or not. Despite my reservations, I am. We've just got to survive this and then maybe, the plan will bear fruit. I just about prefer that to the old model - though ask me again in October, and I might have changed my mind.

Is his plan any different to what Hull are doing? Bring through your youth, look to sign good young players and tie them down to long contracts, get better value out of your cap and look for off field improvements to conditioning and rehab. Pretty obvious to me but actually implementing it effectively and achieving anything at the end of it is the challenge. I suspect most of the teams in SL have the same ideas and he's modelling it on leeds who don;t seem to be doing too well with it currently

[Mild Rover]

Re: Salford : Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:06 pm  

Jake the Peg wrote:

Is his plan any different to what Hull are doing? Bring through your youth, look to sign good young players and tie them down to long contracts, get better value out of your cap and look for off field improvements to conditioning and rehab. Pretty obvious to me but actually implementing it effectively and achieving anything at the end of it is the challenge. I suspect most of the teams in SL have the same ideas and he's modelling it on leeds who don;t seem to be doing too well with it currently

Yeah, in conception I don't think it is dramatically different to what a few other teams are doing or are trying to do. I don't think Peacock has some wondrous cure-all up his sleeve.
Parts of it remind me of Rovers at the start of the decade - Willie Mason being the big name 'catalyst' back then, and 'building for the future' focusing on developing young players with potential. The execution of a plan is what matters.
Similarly, much of what you've said about Hull's current model is similar to the language used when Pearson first arrived and tied a good young player like Joe Arundel to a long contract.

Long-term or short-term focused, the important thing is that decisions are good.

Morgan signed well - he seemed to have good contacts, via his agent iirc. Motu Tony has got good value from players with Polynesian heritage. I'm not sure either was down to a master plan or underlying philosophy, just sensible opportunism.

But all that said, having some basic, solid values and structures in place will hopefully be worth this difficult season. Maybe this is for us, very roughly, what 2014 was for you.

Re: Salford : Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:03 pm  

hull2524 wrote:

Don't worry peacocks got a 5 year plan don't you know

You've got really boring lately