Re: Who is leaving ? : Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:35 am  

Kennedy wrote:

I find it quite bizarre that you have (Basically) released Craig Hall....a potent attacking force, even though his defence isn't great.
Well done Tony Smith.

isnt great is a bit of an understatement reads the game really well going forward but but cannot seem to get to grips with it the other way, craig is 31 and a championship player, super league is defensively beyond him now but good luck to him hes a decent guy

Re: Who is leaving ? : Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:05 am  

Is it a concern that virtually every player you have signed is with Mcguires best mate Craig Harrison?

It reminds me of when Mcrae use to only use Howes as an agent to buy players

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Re: Who is leaving ? : Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:42 pm  

Dave K. wrote:

Is it a concern that virtually every player you have signed is with Mcguires best mate Craig Harrison?

It reminds me of when Mcrae use to only use Howes as an agent to buy players

It’s not too near the top of my list. Harrison has a lot of players, I believe, and i’m confident Tony Smith will have plenty of input moving forward. Some of these were probably done or in the works before he joined, of course.

We’ve announced 9 from SL/championship so far: Hadley, Litten, Abdull, Ryan, Livett (loan), Minikin, Gee, Maher, Rawsthorne

Do you know which of them are/aren’t with Craig Harrison, out of interest?

Huge turnover again, and despite signing those plus SKD we currently look a bit thin - I hope/assume there are a handful more, even after Parcell is confirmed. If Lannon ain’t coming back, it’d be good if we could get Murray. Trout did okay in his few games I thought. Then I feel like we need a half and another high end signing to complement all the lads who are 22 to 24, hopefully on the cusp, but still a little bit green.

Got to hope that this new broom will do a better job of fixing the mentality of the team than some previous recent attempts. Quality and depth wise I think we need to do better than break even too.

Re: Who is leaving ? : Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:15 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

It’s not too near the top of my list. Harrison has a lot of players, I believe, and i’m confident Tony Smith will have plenty of input moving forward. Some of these were probably done or in the works before he joined, of course.

We’ve announced 9 from SL/championship so far: Hadley, Litten, Abdull, Ryan, Livett (loan), Minikin, Gee, Maher, Rawsthorne

Do you know which of them are/aren’t with Craig Harrison, out of interest?

Huge turnover again, and despite signing those plus SKD we currently look a bit thin - I hope/assume there are a handful more, even after Parcell is confirmed. If Lannon ain’t coming back, it’d be good if we could get Murray. Trout did okay in his few games I thought. Then I feel like we need a half and another high end signing to complement all the lads who are 22 to 24, hopefully on the cusp, but still a little bit green.

Got to hope that this new broom will do a better job of fixing the mentality of the team than some previous recent attempts. Quality and depth wise I think we need to do better than break even too.

Litten, Hadley, Ryan, Minikin, Rawsthorne and Maher are with Harrison I know, not sure on the others. I know it's tough to recruit in the position you get yourself in, but are the likes of Abdul, Minikin, Ryan better than Drinkwater, Shaw and Keinhorst.

I'd also question the need to use your last non fed spot on a winger/centre when you need 1 maybe 2 half backs.

Re: Who is leaving ? : Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:20 pm  

Hadley Litten Maher Minikin Ryan all under his agency..So is Ryan Hampshire

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Re: Who is leaving ? : Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:12 pm  

Dave K. wrote:

Litten, Hadley, Ryan, Minikin, Rawsthorne and Maher are with Harrison I know, not sure on the others. I know it's tough to recruit in the position you get yourself in, but are the likes of Abdul, Minikin, Ryan better than Drinkwater, Shaw and Keinhorst.

I'd also question the need to use your last non fed spot on a winger/centre when you need 1 maybe 2 half backs.

Cheers - and to Jimmyfivebellies too.

It’s a tricky balancing act with the quota/non-fed, definitely. I’m not sure how we’ll use SKD and how that’ll effect the structure of the squad - e.g. if TS sees him as a centre, will Linnet play more in the back row? We’ve lost a fair bit of experience and ‘pedigree’, with McGuire retiring and Tomkins departing, so I think SKD is a good signing in prospect, and part of what we need.

Halfback is a concern though, having lost McGuire, Drinkwater and Atkin and only gained Abdull. Mikey Lewis seems to be highly thought of but even so there’s a void to be filled.

I think the high turnover is about rejuvenation to some extent, and creating a blank slate on which TS can hopefully build a different collective mindset. More than dramatically or even significantly improving the quality in the short-term, which isn’t really feasible. We need to raise our sights, whoever takes the field and I think, despite apparently working hard, a few played themselves out of his long-term planning in the final weeks.

I struggle to find the right words to describe what I think (from the outside) was wrong... a sort of gentle resignation, or subconscious acceptance that we weren’t good enough. And to be fair we’ve been largely building from the discard pile for a while, and relegation set us back significantly, but other teams in similar situations have done better. It wasn’t so much that we struggled but that we seemed to expect no better. Sheens, who I think deserves great credit for 2017, and getting us over the line in 2018, started this year talking about top 5, but was soon saying our aim in each game had to be to stay in contention into the closing stages. Cling on and hope for the best was how it sounded to me. First year after promotion, fair enough - but after that not so much.