Re: Super League average attendances : Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:54 pm  

Marcus's Bicycle wrote:

That's a very good point which I wholeheartedly agree with.

City averaged 20k in their last season in the PL. That is poor considering that football dominates sport in this country and is up there with one of the richest sports and highest profile competition on the planet.

Even in the championship their averages were terrible until the takeover. They averaged 17/18k last season but that is pretty modest in context as the championship averages more then probably must top flight leagues in Europe.

Another factor is the away support. You just look at the away support at the MKM compared to ours and Rovers support excluding the derby's of course.

City fans keep reminding us that RL is a minority sport which is probably true nationally but in this city to average 20k plus fans is impressive.

I'll get my tin helmet on!

just going to mention the away support for football at the MKM on irregs post because some of the away teams like Sunderland,Middlesbrough and the Yorkshire clubs bring upwards of 4000 fans.
In reality Hull City have a core of 15000 which is less than the combined attendances of FC anf HKR

Re: Super League average attendances : Mon Aug 14, 2023 4:44 pm  

Crowds have been great this year, especially considering times are hard. We still have Wire and Leeds to come which are usually two better attended games.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Super League average attendances : Mon Aug 14, 2023 4:48 pm  

Responding to Wilf’s question (the quote function seems to be brock)…

I don’t know why Rovers aren’t announcing attendances. I can’t even really come up with anything much good by way of speculation.

Ranking doesn’t matter for attendances. I suppose they don’t want to disincentivise going to away games! Any club that gets a 7.5k average gets the full 2.5 points available. Less than that but >3k is 2 points, then 1.5 points for 1.5k and 0.75 for anything below that (all the way down to zero, slightly oddly).

Re: Super League average attendances : Mon Aug 14, 2023 5:13 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

Responding to Wilf’s question (the quote function seems to be brock)…

I don’t know why Rovers aren’t announcing attendances. I can’t even really come up with anything much good by way of speculation.

Ranking doesn’t matter for attendances. I suppose they don’t want to disincentivise going to away games! Any club that gets a 7.5k average gets the full 2.5 points available. Less than that but >3k is 2 points, then 1.5 points for 1.5k and 0.75 for anything below that (all the way down to zero, slightly oddly).

Rovers are far enough above the 7.5k to get the points but if I was Cas or Leigh owner id be doing a lot of freebies!

I do wonder if IMG will audit some of the numbers somehow, or we might see some iffy counting at some clubs.

Re: Super League average attendances : Mon Aug 14, 2023 7:08 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

Responding to Wilf’s question (the quote function seems to be brock)…

I don’t know why Rovers aren’t announcing attendances. I can’t even really come up with anything much good by way of speculation.

Ranking doesn’t matter for attendances. I suppose they don’t want to disincentivise going to away games! Any club that gets a 7.5k average gets the full 2.5 points available. Less than that but >3k is 2 points, then 1.5 points for 1.5k and 0.75 for anything below that (all the way down to zero, slightly oddly).

Don’t forget that ranking isn’t purely for ESL but all RL clubs. The idea as I understand it is that all 3 leagues ESL/Champ1/Champ2 are graded using IMG ratings and a lower league club can replace higher league clubs if they’re outpointed. Not sure if I make sense. Love your attempt at a Hull accent by the way (brock) my favourite was ,” giz a croggie oar al bray ye wiv me sanny “

Re: Super League average attendances : Mon Aug 14, 2023 8:19 pm  

Armavinit wrote:

Don’t forget that ranking isn’t purely for ESL but all RL clubs. The idea as I understand it is that all 3 leagues ESL/Champ1/Champ2 are graded using IMG ratings and a lower league club can replace higher league clubs if they’re outpointed. Not sure if I make sense. Love your attempt at a Hull accent by the way (brock) my favourite was ,” giz a croggie oar al bray ye wiv me sanny “

As things stand I cant see anything other than the current 12 getting the spots.

Leigh may have been in danger when the season started but have added crowds, a CC win and likely top4 finish to their score that already included a good ground.

Bradford will score better than most in the Champ on crowds and stadium size but will be pinned back by poor league finishes.

Wakefield's new stand has come at a great time for them as it ticks all the minimum stadium requirements.

Toulouse will do ok on crowds and for winning the Champ in 2021 but I dont think they want a 2nd French team right now.

What happens in the 2nd phase of grading in 3 years time might be more interesting. Youd hope those progressing will be rewarded but knowing RL we'll have moved the goalposts and be onto a new idea by then!

[Mild Rover]

Re: Super League average attendances : Mon Aug 14, 2023 8:47 pm  

UllFC wrote:

As things stand I cant see anything other than the current 12 getting the spots.

Leigh may have been in danger when the season started but have added crowds, a CC win and likely top4 finish to their score that already included a good ground.

Bradford will score better than most in the Champ on crowds and stadium size but will be pinned back by poor league finishes.

Wakefield's new stand has come at a great time for them as it ticks all the minimum stadium requirements.

Toulouse will do ok on crowds and for winning the Champ in 2021 but I dont think they want a 2nd French team right now.

What happens in the 2nd phase of grading in 3 years time might be more interesting. Youd hope those progressing will be rewarded but knowing RL we'll have moved the goalposts and be onto a new idea by then!

It’s regraded every year, as I understand it - unlike the 3-year licences that were granted in 2009 and 2012.

Re: Super League average attendances : Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:22 pm  

Do apologise in advance if this is off subject but looks like clubs have been advised of their IMG status (based off the previous 3 seasons). Be interesting to see what grade we find ourselves under.

Re: Super League average attendances : Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:50 pm  

UllFC wrote:

As things stand I cant see anything other than the current 12 getting the spots.

Leigh may have been in danger when the season started but have added crowds, a CC win and likely top4 finish to their score that already included a good ground.

Bradford will score better than most in the Champ on crowds and stadium size but will be pinned back by poor league finishes.

Wakefield's new stand has come at a great time for them as it ticks all the minimum stadium requirements.

Toulouse will do ok on crowds and for winning the Champ in 2021 but I dont think they want a 2nd French team right now.

What happens in the 2nd phase of grading in 3 years time might be more interesting. Youd hope those progressing will be rewarded but knowing RL we'll have moved the goalposts and be onto a new idea by then!

I thought in a recent survey , The fans were mostly infavour of TO been in SL .
Bradfords ground is a mess with large parts taped off as it's unsafe . I cant see IMG giving + points for Odsal now .

Re: Super League average attendances : Tue Aug 15, 2023 1:53 pm  

B0NES wrote:

I thought in a recent survey , The fans were mostly infavour of TO been in SL .
Bradfords ground is a mess with large parts taped off as it's unsafe . I cant see IMG giving + points for Odsal now .

For me its the lack of TV revenue from France that is the issue, even a small amount would take away the 'they bring no away fans' arguement. Also it impacts SKY as French viewers dont contribute to their viewing figures.

And agree on Odsal but depends how deep they are looking at the facilities, if they are just looking at capacity then it will get a tick, if they are sending asessors out to have a look it might be different.