[Chris71]

Re: Transfer chatter for 2025 - New Dec 1st tamper date : Tue Dec 03, 2024 10:12 am  

Irregs#16 wrote:

From what I hear, there was disappointment from Coach Cartwright about some of the mindsets of the younger players - Gardiner and Jebson for example. They seem happy picking up 20k a year and walking around with Hull FC gear on - it's not the mindset of the kids who come through in Australia.

Also - Lasty and Cartwright sat down with the new owners last week and have been told they can have money if they want it. With Lasty's connections with England, he had said if he can get a Matty Lees or a Morgan Knowles, as examples, is the money there - and Thirkell said, if you get a player you want, you will get the money. So that is promising

To be honest I'm not too surprised in regards to the apparent mindsets of some of the younger players (or even some of the more senior) in fact I'd have been more surprised if there wasn't any issue. Let's face it they haven't exactly been immersed in a professional environment or had any real leadership the past 2 or 3 years at least as everything had been so lax and casual. I think this is likely some of what Myler has been alluding too in his interviews. It's likely the new regime to many who were at the club prior to Myler & Cartwrights arrival will have been quite a shock with having expectations laid out to them and to now have full time training, then add in all the other changes be them big ones or minor ones.

What does seem to be clear is that if anyone doesn't meet those expectations as a Pro RL player at the club then they are likely to be staying at the club and that in all honesty is how it should be.

Re: Transfer chatter for 2025 - New Dec 1st tamper date : Tue Dec 03, 2024 10:13 am  

Irregs#16 wrote:

From what I hear, there was disappointment from Coach Cartwright about some of the mindsets of the younger players - Gardiner and Jebson for example. They seem happy picking up 20k a year and walking around with Hull FC gear on - it's not the mindset of the kids who come through in Australia.

There's no surprise there. the whole club has had this attitude for years. Makes you wonder how many promising youngsters have slipped the net due to the poor environment

Re: Transfer chatter for 2025 - New Dec 1st tamper date : Tue Dec 03, 2024 10:33 am  

Chris71 wrote:

Can't argue with either posts, as Steve says the SL Cap should be higher to try and keep the top home grown talent but there just isn't the money in the British game to even try and raise the Cap without bankrupting the game here. Think the vast gulf between SL & NRL whilst earning potential is a factor for players, having a crack at the NRL is the pinnacle of the sport.

As Dave says you look at Wigan & even St's currently (and Leeds previously) in that they produce a lot of talent, granted not all make it at Wigan etc but they produce enough quality in their respective systems that if they lose one there is another that comes in a fills that spot. It's should be no surprise that Wigan, St's and Leeds have been the 3 dominant successful teams due to their investment and success bringing through quality home grown talent, which is then supplemented with quality overseas players.

That's why I feel there should have been more focus on youth development as part of the grading criteria, to ensure clubs started to invest more in to youth rather than neglecting it to spend almost everything on first team. By tying youth development in to the grading it would have had a similar affect as it has with clubs getting their grounds, social media etc in order.

This is spot on. BUT, because of the parochial stance of a lot of the owners of clubs that don't invest in youth and academies, it's not given high priority.

Re: Transfer chatter for 2025 - New Dec 1st tamper date : Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:12 pm  

Irregs#16 wrote:

From what I hear, there was disappointment from Coach Cartwright about some of the mindsets of the younger players - Gardiner and Jebson for example. They seem happy picking up 20k a year and walking around with Hull FC gear on - it's not the mindset of the kids who come through in Australia.

Also - Lasty and Cartwright sat down with the new owners last week and have been told they can have money if they want it. With Lasty's connections with England, he had said if he can get a Matty Lees or a Morgan Knowles, as examples, is the money there - and Thirkell said, if you get a player you want, you will get the money. So that is promising

First point is an interesting one as I imagine a HullFC starting salary is actually decent given that wages generally are very low in the city. So add in the kudos of as you say 'walking around with the club gear on' and it becomes a lazy career choice (albeit a short term one that could end when the contract ends)

I've not seen anything from Gardiner or Jebson to suggest they are worth sticking with, usually with a young player with a few games you see if they are up to it or not.

Re: Transfer chatter for 2025 - New Dec 1st tamper date : Tue Dec 03, 2024 3:58 pm  

Irregs#16 wrote:

From what I hear, there was disappointment from Coach Cartwright about some of the mindsets of the younger players - Gardiner and Jebson for example. They seem happy picking up 20k a year and walking around with Hull FC gear on - it's not the mindset of the kids who come through in Australia.

Also - Lasty and Cartwright sat down with the new owners last week and have been told they can have money if they want it. With Lasty's connections with England, he had said if he can get a Matty Lees or a Morgan Knowles, as examples, is the money there - and Thirkell said, if you get a player you want, you will get the money. So that is promising

Heard similar about some of the youngsters. One in particular who made his debut last season already thinking he's a superstar and not endearing himself to some members of the squad.

Re: Transfer chatter for 2025 - New Dec 1st tamper date : Tue Dec 03, 2024 5:54 pm  

UllFC wrote:

First point is an interesting one as I imagine a HullFC starting salary is actually decent given that wages generally are very low in the city. So add in the kudos of as you say 'walking around with the club gear on' and it becomes a lazy career choice (albeit a short term one that could end when the contract ends)

I've not seen anything from Gardiner or Jebson to suggest they are worth sticking with, usually with a young player with a few games you see if they are up to it or not.

There's been an element of this with our young players for a number of years, possibly even decades!
We're actually reasonably decent in producing youngsters who end up in the first-team via our youth/academy/development set-ups, youngsters who initially look promising with everyone having high hopes for them.
The problem for us, and this is where we differ from Wigan/Saints/Leeds, is that all too often they never seem to quite kick-on to become genuine SL quality standard players and after a while they seem to lose their way and end up gradually drifting out of the picture. We have a number of young players going back many years who seem to fall into that category.

The key age for young promising sports people is around 18-22, which is the age when you have to make the full transition from junior sport to full-time professional. I think, in general, there tends to be a very large drop-off in juniors who make the grade across all sports. It's those organizations that get it right more often when dealing with promising 18-22 year-olds that tend to be the more successful within their sport, chiefly Wigan/Saints in RL.

I'd agree with other posters that success in developing any promising 18 year-old is likely to be key if we are to compete at the top end again on a regular consistent basis. The likes of Moy, Charles, Barron and, particularly, Lewis Martin look like they may possibly be the real deal, but the next two years are vital in their development if they are to become stand-out fully fledged SL players.
Fingers crossed, with the new regime and far more professional coaching set-up now in place, these young kids will come through, but it's far from a given as we have witnessed too many times in the past. Here's hoping for at least a couple of wins for us in this department in the coming two years or so.