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Re: Get a grip, please, someone... : Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:00 am  
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After seeing Carter's reply I think the call for Chester's head is counter productive.
He's closer than us and says the claims are unfair.

And of course we don't know where they came from.
Could be Fifita still upset about the tracker
Could be Gigot not liking being dropped when we all agreed with that.
Could be somebody's dad giving info 3rd hand.

Needs sorting but not necessarily by just sacking people.


But Chezzie can’t win a game PT, surely that’s the issue,

I hope Wakey resolves it’s issues quickly, this year has been bad enough.
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Re: Get a grip, please, someone... : Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:15 am  
Two things,

One, there is cancer at Wakefield and there has been for decades. This is just a continuation of a saga that has been running since the 1970s.

It's like groundhog day. New people come in, they build a team and just as it starts to look like we finally might be getting somewhere it all falls to poop. Same issues over and over again and it all seems to revolve around the attitude of the players versus the management with a good deal of local gossip and self-interest thrown in.

I don't go as far back as some but I'm told Toppo was basically pushed out because the BOD and the players who had improved under him couldn't agree on what they were worth.

Look at McNally, 2004 players hero, 2005 they hated him to a man. Tony Smith, first games in charge instant success, following season the players hated him, even Agar, did well to start then bang, players hated him.

There is a pattern here and painful though it is maybe now is the time to break the cycle.

I have no wish to back CC, I think it's too late and he isn't good enough as a motivator. However, if he's staying breaks the 'player power' that has held this club back for years it may be worth it. However it's not just the players, there are clearly people lurking behind the scenes who are just as culpable, the whole place needs to be flushed out. That's what Salford did, that's what Leeds did when GH took charge, they washed away the past and started again.

Maybe I'm wrong with the detail, I am however right about the real issue. These problems were at the club long before CC and MC and must be tackled.

Two, if you want a clue then take what MC said some month back at the start of COVID. He said he was surprised by the reaction of some players to pay cuts and that he wouldn't forget those who supported him or those who didn't.

There is where it started, there is your problem and it's not just to do with CC. There is clearly a split amongst the player and you don't need to be Sherlock to work it out. That's' why the performances have been so patchy IMHO and why some players seem committed and some don't. Looking from the outside as fans do it's hard to know who's right, it always is. We as fans now need to choose who we back, the Coach (at least short term) and the BOD or a dissident group of players with an agenda of their own?

Tricky one if you have the ability to think deeply rather than just get angry and demand a head on a plate.
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Re: Get a grip, please, someone... : Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:17 am  
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Well good luck with the season ticket sales and next year's recruitment MC.

Perhaps the players might show the 'balls' to speak with you if your mind wasn't already made up !

Its reassuring to know that you're helping to plan the training too ... unbelievable!
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Well good luck with the season ticket sales and next year's recruitment MC.

Perhaps the players might show the 'balls' to speak with you if your mind wasn't already made up !

Its reassuring to know that you're helping to plan the training too ... unbelievable!
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Re: Get a grip, please, someone... : Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:30 am  
https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ ... ak-3010385

Seems the club lockdown went well.........
https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ ... ak-3010385

Seems the club lockdown went well.........
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Re: Get a grip, please, someone... : Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:32 am  
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Well good luck with the season ticket sales and next year's recruitment MC.

Perhaps the players might show the 'balls' to speak with you if your mind wasn't already made up !

Its reassuring to know that you're helping to plan the training too ... unbelievable!


He'll be picking the team yet. Oh, wait a minute, according to some,that has happened in a previous regime
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Re: Get a grip, please, someone... : Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:36 am  
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Well good luck with the season ticket sales and next year's recruitment MC.

Perhaps the players might show the 'balls' to speak with you if your mind wasn't already made up !

Its reassuring to know that you're helping to plan the training too ... unbelievable!


You can read that how you want -
My take would be that he sees the plans "for" and not actually involved in the planning "of"....
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Re: Get a grip, please, someone... : Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:38 am  
The problem is we were playing badly long before the lockdown so the usual it’s all down to money doesn’t apply. The attitude of the coach and CEO does, which reading the way each post to the press I am surprised anyone would want to join our club.
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Re: Get a grip, please, someone... : Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:40 am  
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The problem is we were playing badly long before the lockdown so the usual it’s all down to money doesn’t apply. The attitude of the coach and CEO does, which reading the way each post to the press I am surprised anyone would want to join our club.


You've forgot (surprisingly) the attitude of the players......
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Re: Get a grip, please, someone... : Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:54 am  
Chester and carter think they're bigger than the club, loyalty is one thing blatant stupidity is another, chester will eventually do for carter.
What do you think players are going to say or do when they get thrown under a bus and accused of moving out of the way, not trying, poor attitude and publically threatening then with the sack. Hes committed the cardinal sin and hung them out to dry in public and carter can say what he wants the players will get him.
Why is carter involved in the planning of training sessions its ridiculous, they dont see the bigger picture we need a new pack.
God it's like a jolly boys club I couldn't care less if they both went.
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Re: Get a grip, please, someone... : Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:05 pm  
No decent player will want to join us but I bet a lot will want to leave. The attitude of the team stems from that of the coach and I didn’t need to use red lettering. It is true some will be able to motivate themselves but like all of us each will be different and the skill is to know how to handle each to get the best out of them.
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