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Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:20 am  
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That's the thing with double dealing, lying and manipulating, it eventually becomes too complex to conceal.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave: When first we practise to deceive!

Exposed as a liar and not fit for office!



I'm just an ordinary working/retired rugby league supporter (Cas) who has been trying but failing to keep up with all this. You've just put it in a nutshell. :(
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Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:34 am  
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I'm just an ordinary working/retired rugby league supporter (Cas) who has been trying but failing to keep up with all this. You've just put it in a nutshell. :(

Peter Box Wakefield WMDC equivalent to Sepp Blatter
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Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:19 am  
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Peter Box Wakefield WMDC equivalent to Sepp Blatter


Spot on :evil:
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So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>

IA mode off. :wink:

Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:06 am  
Can you spot the difference? Peter Box is claiming one of these IS a Section 106 agreement and one is NOT?

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That rights folks... it was a stupid question, because there is no difference! They are BOTH Section 106 agreements.

So why does Peter Box keep telling his own cabinet & the public there is NO Section 106 agreement? Someone is not telling the truth... and it is not us!

If you want to see Peter Box claim to the tell the truth, without uttering one actually word of truth or any hard facts, go here and forward to 37.5 minutes - [url]http://www.wakefield.gov.uk/…/engage…/cabinet-on-tour-events[/url]
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Forgive me, but the difference in text is...

AGREEMENT
vs.
PLANNING OBLIGATION BY UNILATERAL UNDERTAKING

What bearing (if any) does that have on proceedings?
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Re: Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:01 am  
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Forgive me, but the difference in text is...

AGREEMENT
vs.
PLANNING OBLIGATION BY UNILATERAL UNDERTAKING

What bearing (if any) does that have on proceedings?



I don't know about planning law but in general laymans terms and standard English they are virtually the same. If by definition either term were stronger than the other then an "Obligation" is stronger than an "agreement" IMO
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BillyRhino wrote:
So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>

IA mode off. :wink:

Re: Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:26 am  
gowerthegroap wrote:
Forgive me, but the difference in text is...

AGREEMENT
vs.
PLANNING OBLIGATION BY UNILATERAL UNDERTAKING

What bearing (if any) does that have on proceedings?


They are BOTH Planning Obligations that are pursuant to Section 106 of the Town and Country Planning act. The common parlance for such agreements is "Section 106 agreements".

If you read Section 106 of the Act it is clear that an obligation can be done in two ways, either by Unilateral Undertaking (where one party, in this case Yorkcourt, gives something to Local Authority, in this case WMDC) or by Multi-Party agreement, which is used in more complex situations, where more than one party is obligated, but the result is still the same, that the beneficiary is WMDC.

The reality is that there is no difference whatsoever, the wording is only slightly different because they were drawn up by two different sets of lawyers.

The final piece of this jigsaw is one that Peter Box and WMDC cannot get away from... it is their job as Local Planning Authority to enforce all planning obligations!

So, the question is why do they even deny one exists? Could it be that if they do admit one exists that then they are of course also admitting that they have failed to enforce it, to date?
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Re: Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:43 am  
Our thanks are due to TRB, IA and the rest of the SWAG team. Their perseverance throughout this whole episode has now put Box in a place completely out of his comfort zone. His lies are stacking up against him and he is faced with an opposition that cannot be cowed by his henchmen and will not be bought off for anything less than delivery of the Community Stadium that is the due of every citzen of Wakefield.
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Re: Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:01 am  
Just to add to IA's post above.

The reason why Newmarket is a Unilateral Undertaking rather than a multi party agreement is that following the Public Inquiry it was believed by the Secretary of State and his Planning Inspector that Newmarket was simple and a UU would be sufficient.

In their evidence given at the PI the Council stated that they would make £2m available towards the Community Stadium and the Developer said that with the £2m from the Council they would build the stadium as soon as they had built and occupied 60,000 m2 of floorspace. So a simple agreement would be sufficient provided both parties honoured their promises given to HM Planning Inspector.

The Council claim to have had nothing to do with the drafting of the UU as its nothing to do with them and that they are not party to it but they changed the clause relating to the £2m contribution.

Its time that the Council accepted that as Local Planning Authority it is THEIR responsibilityand not the CLUB to sort this and enforce the UU.
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Re: Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:17 am  
Has anyone lodged a formal complaint with the Council? I think that's the step you have to take before you can go to the Ombudsman, which seems like the logical place for this to be dealt with.
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