Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:48 pm  

And what legal principle would that action be founded upon? I am not party to the secret discussions which we are told are going on - I have just looked at the documents on the council planning portal. It appears from the 106 agreement the stadium contract would be triggered by the building and letting of a certain amount of warehousing and other uses (60,000sq mtr if I recall correctly). The units which would have (and still will) contribute to the stadium contract commencement were all prescribed in terms of size, etc. The new cold unit is nowhere near the scale which was envisaged on the original agreement - hence a completely new planning application had to be submitted, which the council had no legal choice but to approve. However, since this new planning application did not fall under the 106 agreement, the cold store does not contribute to the stadium contract commencement. If they had built a unit only 18m tall then it would have contributed and no-one would be having this argument, we would be well on the way. As far as I can see, anything else which is built on the site (which conforms even vaguely to what was originally agreed by the council and the developer) will contribute towards the stadium contract commencement. It does not appear to me, on these facts, that the developer or the council (who's hands were tied regarding the new planning application) has acted deceitfully. I might be way off with all the above - could TRB let me know if I am anywhere close to understanding the current situation. I see no reason to be despondent - if YC want to build out the site as originally envisaged, the stadium build will be a natural consequence of that.

Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:55 pm  

Chairman Miaow wrote:

And what legal principle would that action be founded upon? I am not party to the secret discussions which we are told are going on - I have just looked at the documents on the council planning portal. It appears from the 106 agreement the stadium contract would be triggered by the building and letting of a certain amount of warehousing and other uses (60,000sq mtr if I recall correctly). The units which would have (and still will) contribute to the stadium contract commencement were all prescribed in terms of size, etc. The new cold unit is nowhere near the scale which was envisaged on the original agreement - hence a completely new planning application had to be submitted, which the council had no legal choice but to approve. However, since this new planning application did not fall under the 106 agreement, the cold store does not contribute to the stadium contract commencement. If they had built a unit only 18m tall then it would have contributed and no-one would be having this argument, we would be well on the way. As far as I can see, anything else which is built on the site (which conforms even vaguely to what was originally agreed by the council and the developer) will contribute towards the stadium contract commencement. It does not appear to me, on these facts, that the developer or the council (who's hands were tied regarding the new planning application) has acted deceitfully. I might be way off with all the above - could TRB let me know if I am anywhere close to understanding the current situation. I see no reason to be despondent - if YC want to build out the site as originally envisaged, the stadium build will be a natural consequence of that.

We sit somewhere between what you have said and what the Avenger has said. I doubt very much that YC would give us anything if we didn't try and keep them focussed on what we want from our side of the bargain. However, whilst bringing the weight of Thor down YC might seem the obvious thing to do, what would happen at the end of a very expensive legal process ( for which we have not money) would be that we would have pee'd off everyone we need to deliver what we want. If it comes to it, so be it, but whilst there is a chance we can avoid that route, we will.

The technician point regarding the application for NC being outside of the 106 is very much up for interpretation!

Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:20 pm  

Thanks for the reply TRB. I did wonder about the fact that just making it taller was sufficient to take it out of the 106 agreement. It seems YC have played a blinder in that case. I think the stance you are taking is the best one in the circumstances - best of luck to you. I still think this could well happen, it may just take a bit longer.

Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:22 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

I would go straight for the jugular and bring in the SoS, a legal team, the WMDC Planning Office, Peter Box, Ed Balls, Sir Patrick Stewart, Michael Parkinson, Bruce Grobelaar, Sophie May Williams, or any one else I could think of in order to force YCP, under threat of legal action, to fulfil their obligation.

I'm sure it's just an oversight on your part but you've forgotten to add NGB4C to your list, He'd probably be useless but he'd show a lot more passion than that lot.

Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:33 pm  

2 years ago today, outline planning permission was granted for the stadium , yet we are no nearer getting a new ground than we were then...

Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:55 pm  

Believe NOTHING until bricks are being laid. Then you can't get upset about anything. Too many false dawns and smoke and mirrors to get excited about a stadium.

Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:03 pm  

Wakefield No 1 wrote:

2 years ago today, outline planning permission was granted for the stadium , yet we are no nearer getting a new ground than we were then...

That may or not be true. But, as I have repeated countless times, there is lots of activity and things may start happening soon!

Keep the faith - even if it is difficult!

Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:03 pm  

MashPotatoes wrote:

Believe NOTHING until bricks are being laid. Then you can't get upset about anything. Too many false dawns and smoke and mirrors to get excited about a stadium.

Its a good defence mechanism.

Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:18 pm  

MashPotatoes wrote:

Believe NOTHING until bricks are being laid. Then you can't get upset about anything. Too many false dawns and smoke and mirrors to get excited about a stadium.

That's been my motto since the proposed shifting of the ground 50 metres towards the south (or was it north?) back in the 70's

Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:42 pm  

Page 29 ...enough is surely enough. I haven't read anything on this post since about page 6. Look, Newmarket is NEVER going to happen. Stop talking, stop wishing and pushing lying politicians to do things. Time for us to move on and find another answer to our old stadium problem