Re: NFL Chat 3 : Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:59 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

If the NFL attempt to ban him for what basically amounts to some allegations which have subsequently been withdrawn and over which no criminal charges were brought then I'd be suing the living hell out of them if I was Roethlisberger.

If you can take drugs, get caught and still not get suspended (yes Venus and Serena at Minnesota, I'm talking to you) then there's no way this is worthy of time out of the game.

I agree that he shouldnt get a ban, but Roger Goodell likes to make one big example at the beggining of the year and I think he could well be it

Re: NFL Chat 3 : Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:32 pm  

V For Vendetta wrote:

If their DB number 40 is on, i'd target him, he played for us in the 1st semester at OLB and can't tackle his way out of a paper bag.

Ha, I'll pass the intel on!

Re: NFL Chat 3 : Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:04 pm  

Fudge Packers reportedly interested in Brian Westbrook

and another dumb player this time Leroy Hill arrested again just 11 days after pleading guilty to a drugs charge

Re: NFL Chat 3 : Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:43 pm  

LFCRhino wrote:

Fudge Packers reportedly interested in Brian Westbrook

Please please sign him. Starter, no. Excellent back-up/pass catcher, YES!

Re: NFL Chat 3 : Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:56 pm  

ST_CONROY wrote:

Please please sign him. Starter, no. Excellent back-up/pass catcher, YES!

He could well be the next Kevin Faulk

Re: NFL Chat 3 : Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:06 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

If the NFL attempt to ban him for what basically amounts to some allegations which have subsequently been withdrawn and over which no criminal charges were brought then I'd be suing the living hell out of them if I was Roethlisberger.

If you can take drugs, get caught and still not get suspended (yes Venus and Serena at Minnesota, I'm talking to you) then there's no way this is worthy of time out of the game.

What exactly would you be suing them for? Thats a pretty weak idea considering the personal conduct policy allows a player to be banned for something EVEN WHEN NOT CHARGED OR CONVICTED OF A CRIME (and Amani Toomer thinks Ben should be banned for half the year). Quite what your suing for then, i have no idea.

Also, the allegations have not been withdrawn by the alledged victim (certainly not in this case, unless you can provide contrary verification?). They declined to prosecute Ben because there was insufficient physical evidence to prove it beyond reasonable doubt, if any physical evidence at all. The woman in this case wrote a letter to say she didn't want to prosecute Ben because of the intrusion it would cause to her which is understandable given comments and attitudes (not on here) that many people seem to have about her/people in her situation.

Do i think Ben has done what has been alledged, i have no idea really, but he's put himself in stupid situation twice. Maybe don't have sexual contact of any kind in club toilets Ben? If he's broke the conduct policy then he should definately be banned. 8 games IMO.

Re: NFL Chat 3 : Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:44 am  

ST_CONROY wrote:

If he's broke the conduct policy then he should definately be banned. 8 games IMO.

The NFL (and it appears, some of its fans) has gone mad if that happens.

Carry an unlicenced firearm, pump whatever legal or illegal substances you like into your body but whatever you do don't go anywhere that someone might be able to accuse you of sexual impropriety then subsequently not have the knackers to take it all the way.

Goodell's playing politics in the wake of all the scandals that have tained baseball and got it Congressional attention - the sad thing is he's doing it with people's careers.

Re: NFL Chat 3 : Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:12 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

The NFL (and it appears, some of its fans) has gone mad if that happens.

Carry an unlicenced firearm, pump whatever legal or illegal substances you like into your body but whatever you do don't go anywhere that someone might be able to accuse you of sexual impropriety then subsequently not have the knackers to take it all the way.

Goodell's playing politics in the wake of all the scandals that have tained baseball and got it Congressional attention - the sad thing is he's doing it with people's careers.

That isn't the point. You said you'd sue the NFL and i was just pointing out it is a ridiculous idea.

Again you seem to be suggesting the woman has subsequently retracted her version of events, i haven't read that she has (if you could provide evidence she has?). There was/is insufficient evidence to take it to trial. She said she didn't want it to go to trial since it would cause her intrusion, she has not retracted anything as far as i've read, which is understandable. The DA said this had NO IMPACT on whether he was taken to trial/charged, rather the lack of concrete evidence. Where you get this "not have the knackers to take it all the way" from i don't know, and frankly is abit out of order.

Ben has obviously been stupid and deserves a ban. If you don't want to be accused of it Ben then maybe only have sexual contact with woman you know/haven't just met in a club/have taken out on a date etc. Suspending him would send out a message that you conduct is paramount and even when not necessarily guilty of a crime you will be punished.

I think Ben should get 8 games, he likely gets none or maximum 4. As for the comparisons with other instances they are largely irrelevant to this discussion but IMO illegal drugs should carry a mandatory 1 year ban and likewise, unlicence firearm possession, should also be a mandatory 1 year ban.

Re: NFL Chat 3 : Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:16 pm  

Brandon Marshall to the Dolphins for a 2010 and 2011 2nd round picks.

Re: NFL Chat 3 : Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:18 pm  

ST_CONROY wrote:

Brandon Marshall to the Dolphins for a 2010 and 2011 2nd round picks.

Thats a quality pick up and I cant even begin to tell you how annoyed I am the we didnt even attempt to get him and/or Boldin