Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:33 pm  

carl_spackler wrote:

This season, Carragher. And from what I've seen so far he's quite possibly better than Skrtel and Agger as well. From this thread, it seems that many Liverpool fans are blind to how monumentally poor Carragher has been this season.

Hence the placing of Carragher on the bench, he has been fantastic for Liverpool and is a fantastic defender but his form has dropped and he knows it. On his day Carra can quite easily be up there with the likes of JT.

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:37 pm  

Sam Buca wrote:

I dont like Sagna, I think he can be caught out quite easily at times.

Just like Johnson.

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:42 pm  

carl_spackler wrote:

Sound logic, but slightly glosses over the issue. Yes, in a team made up from the 'big 4' you'd probably hold your own, but there's still a problem. You point out that 3 of your best 11 would get into those of your rivals, but the key issue there is the flip side; all of your title rivals have knocking on 8 players in their team who are better than yours. That's just a huge gulf.

In fact, extend it a bit. How many of your best 11 do you honestly think would crack the Spurs team? It's a closely run thing IMO, and they have better depth. That shouldn't be the case such a short time after them being relegation candidates and you topping the table.

I thought that was basically what I had said in my previous post? We've got some fantastic indiviudals but that our squad depth is poor?

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:45 pm  

Catalancs wrote:

Just like Johnson.

Same with any FB imo.

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:48 pm  

Nemanja wrote:

Reina

Sagna
Vermalan
Terry
Evra

Arshavin
Essien
Fletcher
Giggs

Drogba
Rooney

That would be my team made up of last season's top 4 on form this season so far.

Am I missing something with Vermaelan? Seen him outjumped by a Blackburn player who's name escapes me, to score and has kept about 2 clean sheets all year. And leaving Fabregas out is pretty harsh.

Also, there's two ways of picking this team. Form and Permanent class.

Form:

Reina

Johnson
Terry
Carvalho
Cole

Fabregas
Essien
Giggs

Torres
Rooney
Drogba

Based on if I was to pick the players at their current peaks:

Reina

Johnson
Terry
Vidic
Cole

Essien (EDIT J Cole out for Essien)

Arshavin
Fabregas
Gerrard

Rooney
Torres

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:50 pm  

carl_spackler wrote:

Vermaelen, Clichy, Walcott, and Arshavin/Rosicky would all get in Liverpool's 11 IMO as well, and possibly Gallas too.

I'd rather Skrtel, Agger, Carragher and Gallas than Vermaelan.

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:52 pm  

carl_spackler wrote:

Vermaelen, Clichy, Walcott, and Arshavin/Rosicky would all get in Liverpool's 11 IMO as well, and possibly Gallas too.

Reina, Johnson, Agger, Mascherano, Gerrard and Torres would get into Arsenal's XI.

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:56 pm  

Sam Buca wrote:

Hence the placing of Carragher on the bench, he has been fantastic for Liverpool and is a fantastic defender but his form has dropped and he knows it. On his day Carra can quite easily be up there with the likes of JT.

Liverpool haven't conceeded less than Chelsea since 2001. Liverpool's best defensive performances haven't been as good as Chelsea's over a season. Chelsea's best defence over a season has been a great deal superior to anything Liverpool have been close to.

Liverpool like to go with FACHTS. The fact is that for all the jerking off over Reina and Shay Given, they've both let in nearly twice as many goals as Cech.

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:58 pm  

I see that yet more Gerrard diving has gone on without comment or criticism from the press.

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:02 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

Liverpool like to go with FACHTS. The fact is that for all the jerking off over Reina and Shay Given, they've both let in nearly twice as many goals as Cech.

So a goalkeeper is judged by how many goals he lets in?

You'd better tell Chris Kirkland that every single goalkeeper in all the British leagues was better than him 2 weeks ago.

Great keeping from Cech against City BTW.