Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:46 pm  

Fresh Prince of Chesh-air wrote:

I'd say about 10pm for Haye fight, which I think he'll win on points but I hope I'm wrong. The way he has gone about the fight has been embarrassing. In 2008 he knew he'd get his arsenal handed too him so 'backed' out, now is talking Klitchko down, Wlad deserves more respect than that.

Why? The Klitscko brothers are two of the biggest frauds in boxing for years, it was embarrassing to see Wladimir take on Samuel Peter again recently and another overweight, poor attempt at an opponent. They'll only ever take on hand picked shite they know they'll jab for 12 rounds and win on points. They're two of the most boring fighters ever to grace the ring, the sooner Haye smashes him up the better. I don't see why so many people have a problem with Haye, he takes the fights and gives it everything he has. Yes he's a big trash talker but no worse than most. Everyone said he had no chance against Valuev and he was brilliant that night too.

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:31 pm  

Dan_FC wrote:

Why? The Klitscko brothers are two of the biggest frauds in boxing for years, it was embarrassing to see Wladimir take on Samuel Peter again recently and another overweight, poor attempt at an opponent. They'll only ever take on hand picked shite they know they'll jab for 12 rounds and win on points. They're two of the most boring fighters ever to grace the ring, the sooner Haye smashes him up the better. I don't see why so many people have a problem with Haye, he takes the fights and gives it everything he has. Yes he's a big trash talker but no worse than most. Everyone said he had no chance against Valuev and he was brilliant that night too.

Frauds? I don't know the history of the Klitchko's but call them boring, I call them getting the job (should that be jab) done. You're not at the top of your sport for ten years by chance.

Haye is just a smug, arrogant, git who has no right to knock the Klitchko's. You say that Klitchko's take on hand picked opponents...I think the majority are mandatory fights anyway.

Do you think Haye ducked the fight with Klitchko last time?

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:16 pm  

Fresh Prince of Chesh-air wrote: Frauds? I don't know the history of the Klitchko's but call them boring, I call them getting the job (should that be jab) done. You're not at the top of your sport for ten years by chance. http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer A list of Wladimir's fights, there's some poor poor boxers on there. They fight nobodies, any overweight and over aged American and they fight. Samuel Peter v Wladimir was embarrassing, they fought years ago and Klitschko won, Peter was so overweight he barely moved around the ring and was just punched until the fight finished. I do think they're boring, they don't move, they don't entertain they just jab at fat boxers until the fight has to finish. I won't argue about that they do get the job done. Fresh Prince of Chesh-air wrote: Haye is just a smug, arrogant, git who has no right to knock the Klitchko's. You say that Klitchko's take on hand picked opponents...I think the majority are mandatory fights anyway. I'm not sure Samuel Peter was mandatory, I think Derek Chisora was but that could've been sorted out and Haye v Klitschko could've happened. I like Haye, yes he's arrogant but most boxers are, it's part of the game. Why not be confident in what you can do, he's an excellent boxer - he proved so many people wrong when he took on Valuev and fought a brilliant fight. I just hope he does the same on Saturday. Fresh Prince of Chesh-air wrote: Do you think Haye ducked the fight with Klitchko last time? I don't think he did, I don't disbelieve he was injured (as I didn't when Klitschko pulled out of the Chisora fight!). After all the build up and all the hype the last thing Haye wanted was to go into a fight when he's not fully fit. Klitschko could've been accused of ducking out when, he recovered from the aforementioned injury, he virtually agreed to fight Haye and then said he was going to fight Chisora. I think both, privately, will be terrified of losing after the years of build up, I just hope Haye lands a couple on Klitschko and see how he responds. He doesn't get hit very often.

Fresh Prince of Chesh-air wrote: Frauds? I don't know the history of the Klitchko's but call them boring, I call them getting the job (should that be jab) done. You're not at the top of your sport for ten years by chance. http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer A list of Wladimir's fights, there's some poor poor boxers on there. They fight nobodies, any overweight and over aged American and they fight. Samuel Peter v Wladimir was embarrassing, they fought years ago and Klitschko won, Peter was so overweight he barely moved around the ring and was just punched until the fight finished. I do think they're boring, they don't move, they don't entertain they just jab at fat boxers until the fight has to finish. I won't argue about that they do get the job done. Fresh Prince of Chesh-air wrote: Haye is just a smug, arrogant, git who has no right to knock the Klitchko's. You say that Klitchko's take on hand picked opponents...I think the majority are mandatory fights anyway. I'm not sure Samuel Peter was mandatory, I think Derek Chisora was but that could've been sorted out and Haye v Klitschko could've happened. I like Haye, yes he's arrogant but most boxers are, it's part of the game. Why not be confident in what you can do, he's an excellent boxer - he proved so many people wrong when he took on Valuev and fought a brilliant fight. I just hope he does the same on Saturday. Fresh Prince of Chesh-air wrote: Do you think Haye ducked the fight with Klitchko last time? I don't think he did, I don't disbelieve he was injured (as I didn't when Klitschko pulled out of the Chisora fight!). After all the build up and all the hype the last thing Haye wanted was to go into a fight when he's not fully fit. Klitschko could've been accused of ducking out when, he recovered from the aforementioned injury, he virtually agreed to fight Haye and then said he was going to fight Chisora. I think both, privately, will be terrified of losing after the years of build up, I just hope Haye lands a couple on Klitschko and see how he responds. He doesn't get hit very often.

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:29 am  

Dan_FC wrote:

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=7035&cat=boxer

A list of Wladimir's fights, there's some poor poor boxers on there. They fight nobodies, any overweight and over aged American and they fight. Samuel Peter v Wladimir was embarrassing, they fought years ago and Klitschko won, Peter was so overweight he barely moved around the ring and was just punched until the fight finished. I do think they're boring, they don't move, they don't entertain they just jab at fat boxers until the fight has to finish. I won't argue about that they do get the job done.

I'm not sure Samuel Peter was mandatory, I think Derek Chisora was but that could've been sorted out and Haye v Klitschko could've happened. I like Haye, yes he's arrogant but most boxers are, it's part of the game. Why not be confident in what you can do, he's an excellent boxer - he proved so many people wrong when he took on Valuev and fought a brilliant fight. I just hope he does the same on Saturday.

I don't think he did, I don't disbelieve he was injured (as I didn't when Klitschko pulled out of the Chisora fight!). After all the build up and all the hype the last thing Haye wanted was to go into a fight when he's not fully fit. Klitschko could've been accused of ducking out when, he recovered from the aforementioned injury, he virtually agreed to fight Haye and then said he was going to fight Chisora. I think both, privately, will be terrified of losing after the years of build up, I just hope Haye lands a couple on Klitschko and see how he responds. He doesn't get hit very often.

who could the klitschko of fought in this time???!! we all know how poor the heavyweight division has been over the years.

feel sorry for chisora....he should of got the fight and he did until haye got upset about it all.

anyway going to be an intresting fight and hard to call !! dont know who ill be cheeign yet but likely to be haye just because hes british!

but then he will of made millions out of us and retire

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:07 pm  

Klitschko is gonna muller him.

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:34 pm  

I don't think Klitschko's usual game plan is gong to be enough to get the job done against Haye, he made Valuev miss by yards at times and even though Klitschko will be better than that he will still miss an awful lot if Haye employs those tactics. That said it's also Haye's hardest test yet and although he has adapted to different opponents very well this is a massive step up in class. He won't get a decision in a million years if he fights like he did against Valuev, he needs to be more aggressive but that of course leaves him more open to the counter punch.

I could go on, but with so many variables I find it hard to make too a strong case for either. I've dutched on Klitschko by decision and Haye by KO which have both been at decent prices a while ago. Not too sure how much value is out there any more, bookies will push the percentage this week as all the patriotic money comes in, I think 4/1 about Klitschko on points, and Haye in the larger grouped rounds are both worth a look at.

I can't wait to see how it pans out, I know I'm a sucker but I've completely fallen for all the hype.

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:08 pm  

All the brits turning on Haye because of his lack of respect is really getting on my t!t$.

Klitchko has come over here playing Mr nice guy making Haye look like Mr Nasty and winning some fans on the back of it.

What the media have totally forgotten about is Klitchkos total lack of respect during the contract talks. Haye has sold his backside to Wlad to get the deal done. Wlag brings in no ppv just a small amount from a terrestrial tv contract yet still he gets 50/50 purse. He choses the country and venue. He choses glove weight/size. He choses which corner he is in. He choses which dressing room he is having. Is Haye a heavyweight world champion or not? Haye has conceded everything to liven up the Heavyweight division. Respect? Pfft.

Then Haye uses a strategy to get under Wlads skin to make him come out and fight instead of hiding behind the jab and everyone brands him as disrespectful. Rant over.


On the fight itself, Adam Booth is the name. He is the genius to break Wlad. With Hayes strategy speed and power he can frustrate Wlad. Make him miss which is something he is not used to doing. He has never fought anyone like Haye. If he misses that jab and makes a few rash hooks Haye can counter and good night.

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:30 pm  

Good post Neil

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:53 pm  

RhinoNeil wrote:

All the brits turning on Haye because of his lack of respect is really getting on my t!t$.

Klitchko has come over here playing Mr nice guy making Haye look like Mr Nasty and winning some fans on the back of it.

What the media have totally forgotten about is Klitchkos total lack of respect during the contract talks. Haye has sold his backside to Wlad to get the deal done. Wlag brings in no ppv just a small amount from a terrestrial tv contract yet still he gets 50/50 purse. He choses the country and venue. He choses glove weight/size. He choses which corner he is in. He choses which dressing room he is having. Is Haye a heavyweight world champion or not? Haye has conceded everything to liven up the Heavyweight division. Respect? Pfft.

Then Haye uses a strategy to get under Wlads skin to make him come out and fight instead of hiding behind the jab and everyone brands him as disrespectful. Rant over.


On the fight itself, Adam Booth is the name. He is the genius to break Wlad. With Hayes strategy speed and power he can frustrate Wlad. Make him miss which is something he is not used to doing. He has never fought anyone like Haye. If he misses that jab and makes a few rash hooks Haye can counter and good night.

Excellent post mate, spot on. It's a long, long time since Klitschko's had a really tough test but he'll get one on Saturday. Haye's got the speed and power to upset him bigtime, he won't have, probably ever, faced a punch as hard as Haye's to deal with.

We'll see a different Haye to the Valuev one but that was a highly impressive performance. Klitschko turned up here wanting to shake hands in the press conference and giving a good speech and the press/public lapped it up bigtime, it's embarrassing how people have fallen for it yet dismissed Haye for no good reason. Adam Booth is the mastermind behind Haye and many other, he mastermined George Groves' win over DeGale too.

Klitschko's made the most bizarre requests for this fight and Haye's given into everyone of them yet he has an injury and pulls out of the last fight and everyone says he's ducking it. If anyone's been ducking it's Klitschko. Haye met every demand and his camp said we're taking on Chisora. Pathetic.

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:03 am  

Dan_FC wrote:

Excellent post mate, spot on. It's a long, long time since Klitschko's had a really tough test but he'll get one on Saturday. Haye's got the speed and power to upset him bigtime, he won't have, probably ever, faced a punch as hard as Haye's to deal with.

We'll see a different Haye to the Valuev one but that was a highly impressive performance. Klitschko turned up here wanting to shake hands in the press conference and giving a good speech and the press/public lapped it up bigtime, it's embarrassing how people have fallen for it yet dismissed Haye for no good reason. Adam Booth is the mastermind behind Haye and many other, he mastermined George Groves' win over DeGale too.

Klitschko's made the most bizarre requests for this fight and Haye's given into everyone of them yet he has an injury and pulls out of the last fight and everyone says he's ducking it. If anyone's been ducking it's Klitschko. Haye met every demand and his camp said we're taking on Chisora. Pathetic.

Agreed on all of that.
The experience Haye got from the Valuev fight will be priceless. Not only fighting a monster that is difficult to get on the inside of, but also the venue and the hostile atmosphere. That fight has been replayed on SkySports all week and looking back Hayes concentration for the full fight was superb, constantly focused and poised. That will stand him in massive stead for Wladamir.
So what experience of a similar fighter to Haye has Wlad got? Nothing. Haye has been saying throughout the build up that Wlad has no plan B. He is consistently one dimensional, and that is 1000% correct. If Haye manages to get behind the jab and land some heavy shots Wlad won't have a clue what to do.