Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:56 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

then only 1 man fits the present Anfield bill and that's Martin O'Neil....He knows the scene and he doesn't take egos very well.

Exactly. A decent, British manager who's done well at everywhere he's been except Leeds, He also doesn't sign dross like Hodgson; Konchesky and Poulsen. Some of O'Neils signings at Villa include; Milner, Young, Friedel, Cuellar etc. I think there will be sufficent funds available in Janurary for recruitment, with the new owners, one signing in Janurary that looks to be nailed on is Rennes winger; Sylvain Marveaux.

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:02 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

I think the decline of this Chelsea side has been THE big story so far this season.

Its really difficult to pinpoint what exactly has gone wrong....From being an all-powerful side, tearing opposition apart with great football and lots of goals, they have suddenly become a side who more resemble a side which should be flirting with relegation.

I'm sure the LGJM will be able to explain a little into what has gone wrong, but personally I've always thought that the 1 thing Chelsea always had was a strong spine to their team....Cech, Terry, Carvalho, Essien, Lampard & Drogba.

Have injuries, loss of form and a transfer, disrupting that spine, been the main factor or has the Wilkins episode really had such a huge impact??

One thing is for certain, Scolari got fired for less than what Ancelotti is currently enduring....How long before Hiddink is back??

During the Bolton game I was wondering whether the players were playing to get rid of Ancelotti. It seemed to me that it was possible that unless you're a Mourinho or a Hiddink, the players can't accept any faults you have and will make sure you're out of the door. There was even rumours that the players were the driving force behind the exit of Jose.

Didier Drogba is a pretty good example of just how much a set of ***** the players can be at times. The recent poor form has seen numerous examples of him acting in a totally ridiculous manner. I can't remember which game it was but Drogba and a defender went up for a header. It was just a normal striker/defender challenge and the ball fell to a Chelsea player to attack. The defender fell to the ground. Drogba, instead of running free and using the man advantage we'd been given, turned round and helped the defender to his feet. Man, I nearly smashed my TV I was so mad. The defender wasn't injured or anything, he'd just gone up for a ball and fallen to the ground.

The terrible slump has been down to a convergence of factors.

Firstly, the injuries were to nearly all of our most important players. Lampard, Terry, Essien and Alex were all injured at one point, along with Drogba suffering from malaria. On top of that, we got rid of 5 players in the summer and only brought in Ramires. That's a lot of experience we've lost. I also think it's pretty clear Ancelotti struggles to make changes during the game. He really does appear lost when things aren't going right.

I also think that although we won the double last season, truthfully we weren't that good. The same applies to United this season. But IMO at least United have a reason for not hitting when the heights when events have conspired to rob them of Ronaldo and Tevez.

I have no idea why Wilkins was sacked. So how much a problem it's been is difficult to assess. But it's simply bizarre to get rid of an assistant, mid season, against the wishes of the manager. In a way I could understand it if Ancelotti is phoning it in until the end of the season, when he'll walk, if the management of the club do that kind of 5hit without good reason.

Another reason that explains our slump is if opponents have figured out how to play us and we don't have the ability to adapt to the change.

Personally, I'd take Hiddink back in a heartbeat. It is only his insistence on not leaving Turkey which means he isn't in charge. I think the players want Hiddink and that's part of why they don't seem to want to play for Ancelotti.

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:17 pm  

I said at the time we'd miss Ballack but i didnt think we would as much as we have. I was always a big fan of him and we're missing him and Ricky C.

Ramires is such an annoying player. He walked MOM for me last night, he did against Arsenal at home aswell, yet when he comes on from the bench he doesnt seem to be able to get going. Ideally id have him instead of Mikel and have Essien in thhe 'Maka role`.

Keep hearing that David Luiz is our no1 target for the January transfer window. Cant say ive seen to much of him.

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:08 pm  

It's time this myth about us having a worse squad for decades or that Benitez has left the club in a worse state than he found it is put to rest.

In 2005, our CL winning team was:


LIVERPOOL:
Jerzy Dudek
Steve Finnan
Jamie Carragher
Sami Hyypiä
Djimi Traoré
Xabi Alonso
Luis García
Steven Gerrard
John Arne Riise
Harry Kewell
Milan Baroš

Substitutes:
Scott Carson
Josemi
Dietmar Hamann
Antonio Núñez
Igor Bišćan
Djibril Cissé
Vladimír Šmicer

Arguably our best current first team choices are (though somewhat bizarrely Ngog is preferred up front to our best front two pairing in years with Gerrard in central midfield):

Reina
Johnson
Carragher
Skrtel
Konchesky (Hodgson signing who is worse than the option Benitez left)
Rodriguez
Lucas
Meireles (Hodgson signing after Mascherano left)
Kuyt
Gerrard
Torres

Subs:
Jones
Agger
Aurelio
Cole
Babel
Jovanovic
N'Gog.

Apart from Hyppia, Alonso and a younger Carragher, man for man we are a better squad than the one Benitez inherited. So yes, I'll blame Hodgson for our current form.

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:42 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

It's time this myth about us having a worse squad for decades or that Benitez has left the club in a worse state than he found it is put to rest.

In 2005, our CL winning team was:


LIVERPOOL:
Jerzy Dudek
Steve Finnan
Jamie Carragher
Sami Hyypiä
Djimi Traoré
Xabi Alonso
Luis García
Steven Gerrard
John Arne Riise
Harry Kewell
Milan Baroš

Substitutes:
Scott Carson
Josemi
Dietmar Hamann
Antonio Núñez
Igor Bišćan
Djibril Cissé
Vladimír Šmicer

Arguably our best current first team choices are (though somewhat bizarrely Ngog is preferred up front to our best front two pairing in years with Gerrard in central midfield):

Reina
Johnson
Carragher
Skrtel
Konchesky (Hodgson signing who is worse than the option Benitez left)
Rodriguez
Lucas
Meireles (Hodgson signing after Mascherano left)
Kuyt
Gerrard
Torres

Subs:
Jones
Agger
Aurelio
Cole
Babel
Jovanovic
N'Gog.

Apart from Hyppia, Alonso and a younger Carragher, man for man we are a better squad than the one Benitez inherited. So yes, I'll blame Hodgson for our current form.

Sorry mate, don't see much improvement, unless you are going by their Football Manager ratings....

Lucas and Rodriguez are no better than anybody in your first list....Skrtel v Hyypia?....I'd have the Finn....Goalies are pretty much irrelevent if behind a dodgy defence....Johnson is vastly over-rated, certainly no better a defender than Finnan has ever been and I'd have Baros giving 100% over Torres playing the tortured soul up front.

I don't think anybody has ever said that Hodgson is better than Benitez....Most people are questioning the state of the squad that Benitez left behind and on that there is little doubt that its a huge fail.

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:20 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

Arguably our best current first team choices are (though somewhat bizarrely Ngog is preferred up front to our best front two pairing in years with Gerrard in central midfield):

Reina
Johnson
Carragher
Skrtel
Konchesky (Hodgson signing who is worse than the option Benitez left)
Rodriguez
Lucas
Meireles (Hodgson signing after Mascherano left)
Kuyt
Gerrard
Torres

Subs:
Jones
Agger
Aurelio
Cole
Babel
Jovanovic
N'Gog.

Apart from Hyppia, Alonso and a younger Carragher, man for man we are a better squad than the one Benitez inherited. So yes, I'll blame Hodgson for our current form.

imo the four players highlighted are the probably the only ones that would have a chance of getting into one of the top four sides, worse still for you i think that only Reina and Torres(if fit) would have a chance of getting a regular starting place and Manchester United. The fat one took over a team from Houlier that went on to win the champions league and has screwed it up, the damage he has caused at Liverpool will take years to repair, Valencia are just starting to get it back together because of the mess he left them in and luckly Inter have got rid before he caused the same damage to them.

Re: More Football Chat : Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:45 am  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

Reina
Johnson
Carragher
Skrtel
Konchesky (Hodgson signing who is worse than the option Benitez left)
Rodriguez
Lucas
Meireles (Hodgson signing after Mascherano left)
Kuyt
Gerrard
Torres

Subs:
Jones
Agger
Aurelio
Cole
Babel
Jovanovic
N'Gog.

Didn't Benitez let Hyppia go on a free?
I can see three top quality players there and unless I'm mistaken Benitez only brought two of them in.

Re: More Football Chat : Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:06 am  

mutt1 - Which top 4 team do you think would take Glen Johnson?

Re: More Football Chat : Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:21 am  

I think G Johnson did very well to end up at a
traditional 'big' club, i always thought he'd end up going between mid-table / relegation clubs, i certainly don't rate him too highly, and would be distraught if United ever signed him

Re: More Football Chat : Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:49 am  

ash4hullfc wrote:

mutt1 - Which top 4 team do you think would take Glen Johnson?

Good point i can't think of what team he'd get in, maybe i was just feeling charitable trying to make the scousers feel better FWIW i don't rate Johnson he likes to go forward but doesn't put any effort into tracking back when defending, he's a typical sunday league footballer.