Re: Football Manager 2010 : Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:23 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

I'm on the up with Arsenal. Finished 3rd after taking over in 19th or so. Won the league the following season, then dropped to 6th after a horror season, finishing with just 3 defenders at the club. On course to win the league now though and in the final of the UEFA cup against Spurs.

Talking of Spurs I haven't beaten them once. Is it possible?

But I've spent the past 4 months under a transfer embargo, being told almost daily that I will be replaced by some Portugese manager once the consortium takes over the club. Unbelievable.

One thing I hope they tighten up on FM is the use of delayed payments and the resulting financial meltdown. If you go on the FM forums everyone's squads, right from the first season or two are filled with megastar names. They've sold a few then bought loads of players with little up front and then ridiculous fees over the next few seasons. The game allows you to do this and you can make virtually unlimited signings using it. For example if you have £10m, you can buy 4 players for £2.5m up front, then £10m over 2 years. So a club with a budget of £10m can spend £40m on players. All the people playing it just exploit it to almost instantly assemble ridiculous squads. It's all "I'm Everton and first season I bought Akinfeev, Jovetic, Pjanic, Van Der Vaart, Hazard, Renato and Welliton. I sold Tony Hibbert and Phil Neville".

But what happens on the game is that the club then loses tens of millions per season, the chairman keeps injecting money to 'help with running costs' and when it gets absolutely stupid in terms of loses and debts the club ALWAYS gets taken over. You then get the debt written off and another large wedge of transfer money to spend.

What should happen is the club gets into a mess, points docked, players leaving etc. You should be punished for financial stupidity on the game. Finances are a mess on the game. At Arsenal I've got a net transfer spend of £102m in over 4 seasons (I'm tight) and always a couple of hundred thousand inside the wage budget, yet the club loses £60-70m per season.

I think one of the reasons that the finances are the way they are, is because probably the best part of the game is signing players. I know that when i have very little to spend and can't sign anyone, i get pretty bored quite quick. TBH, i take full advantage of the way the finances are, and i do sign a lot of players, as you have probably noticed. Although, i do agree with what you are saying. I think they should tighten up on this, as it is a bit far fetched and it is very easy to build a quality quad and pretty quickly too.

Re: Football Manager 2010 : Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:00 pm  

saint billy wrote:

I think one of the reasons that the finances are the way they are, is because probably the best part of the game is signing players. I know that when i have very little to spend and can't sign anyone, i get pretty bored quite quick. TBH, i take full advantage of the way the finances are, and i do sign a lot of players, as you have probably noticed. Although, i do agree with what you are saying. I think they should tighten up on this, as it is a bit far fetched and it is very easy to build a quality quad and pretty quickly too.

You are right, there is a line between realism and enjoyment. I'm not suggesting they bring in realistic finances as no one would enjoy managing anyone bar City. But I think it should be toned down slightly, perhaps by letting it happen, but then once the finances get bad forcing you to choose between trying to ride it out to reach promtion/europe etc or sell players. If you then fail to achieve the promotion/european place you would then be forced into administration and docked points or have your chairman sell your leading players. You would still have enough room to progress things and take a club onto better things, but wouldn't be able to just hoover up a ridiculously talented squad without any consequences.

At the moment you can go on a Leeds-esque spending spree, fall flat and then get taken over to start the process again.

Re: Football Manager 2010 : Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:04 pm  

Couple of classics with the media tonight on FM.

"Moyes reveals his admiration for Money" - David Moyes of Everton about Forest boss Richard Money
"Klinsmann reveals his fondness for Dick" - Jurgen about another German manager, Florian Dick

Re: Football Manager 2010 : Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:31 pm  

Anyone know when the new patch is out?

Re: Football Manager 2010 : Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:47 pm  

Another frustrating season with Wigan out of the way. Safety was secured with about 3 games to go after a bolt from the blue 3-0 wooping of Chelsea at the DW. Think I'm going to start looking for other jobs as it's possibly the most infuriating job going. You get rock all, in premiership terms, to spend. Any player who does reasonable for you immediately generates interest from other clubs whether they be premiership or not. I honestly don't know how I've held on to Jorgensen for so long. Going to try get Kalou on loan for another season to cover the left wing. Anybody know of any good young english players for around £1mil as I'm struggling to get 8 HG players in my 25.

Re: Football Manager 2010 : Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:23 pm  

Won the league and UEFA Cup and have a superb squad. Yet Tony Clarke has just completed the prolonged takeover negotiations and the following message comes about the takeover by the London based businessman comes up:

"The turmoil at Emirates Stadium is unlikely to be however however, with rumours that the new Chairman will want to replace current Manager [My Name]. According to KICK magazine Clarke has had strong business links in Mexico in the past and is likely to want to install Javier Aguirre as the new Arsenal boss"

Personal message from Tony Clarke:

"New Chairman Tony Clarke has thanked you for your patience during what has undoubtedly been a stressful time for those involved with the club.

Clarke added however that it was always the intention to appoint a new manager following the takeover and a decision on your future will be taken shortly"

Having just clicked on Aguirre's profile and although he's been unemployed for three years after being sacked by Osasuna his 'favourite personnel' include Wayne Rooney, Jordan Spence and Neven Subotic, who are two of my best players and my vice captain, none of whom he has coached.

Looks like my P45 might be in the post.

Re: Football Manager 2010 : Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:40 pm  

El Pac Carnegie wrote:

Another frustrating season with Wigan out of the way. Safety was secured with about 3 games to go after a bolt from the blue 3-0 wooping of Chelsea at the DW. Think I'm going to start looking for other jobs as it's possibly the most infuriating job going. You get rock all, in premiership terms, to spend. Any player who does reasonable for you immediately generates interest from other clubs whether they be premiership or not. I honestly don't know how I've held on to Jorgensen for so long. Going to try get Kalou on loan for another season to cover the left wing. Anybody know of any good young english players for around £1mil as I'm struggling to get 8 HG players in my 25.

Tell me about it. Season 3 out the way and another mid table finish. No doubt my budget will be £7m again.

Re: Football Manager 2010 : Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:15 pm  

Jordan Spence has slowly turned world class on my games, always being available cheaply. Frank Moussa is another who starts at a poor club, somewhere like Southend I think but usually ends up playing for either England or France.

Re: Football Manager 2010 : Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:06 am  

You had a look at Jonjo Shelvey or Adam Pepper?

Re: Football Manager 2010 : Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:08 am  

Saddened! wrote:

Jordan Spence has slowly turned world class on my games, always being available cheaply. Frank Moussa is another who starts at a poor club, somewhere like Southend I think but usually ends up playing for either England or France.

Cheers I'll have a look at em tomorrow. Confusing start to the season so far losing heavily to Wolves but holding Arsenal and defeating Man Utd. My squad is now very young, average age 22, after a summer clear out and high in quality. Though depth may be an issue down the road. I'll put my squad up tomorrow.