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Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:13 pm  
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You say that but I've had people telling me it was a good game. Now I've only seen the highlights as I was busy yesterday but it just goes to show you how two people watching the same thing can come away with completely opposite conclusions.
A couple of comments on twitter from a friend;
'I really enjoyed the match today. Watched some quality players on both teams @EnglandRugby @WalesRugby'
'it was actually a great game, and a fair result!'


From a Union point of view, it probably was a good game compared to some of the gash they are usually served, but quality-wise it was mediocre.....Usual amount of knock-ons, forward passes, unfathomable refereeing decisions, monotonous kicking.

My main complaint has always been the total lack of continunity to the game.....Constant stop-start, it is much too forward orientated to ever be entertaining, the fact you can have over 20 consectutive phases of play without any progress forward, tells you all you need to know about how dull it is.

Before I'm accused of being a stereotypical League fan, I'd like to say that I'm never entirely won over by League's basketball-style scoring, where the scoring of a single try as become massively devalued by the fact that there is too much of an advantage to the attack over defence.....Union has the opposite problem, in that the rules actually stifle flair and excitement.

Somewhere between the two codes there is a perfect form of rugby crying to be let out....I wonder if either code has the balls to take a chance and give it a go?
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Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:03 pm  
It's a shame really that most sports are measured by their International product. In most peoples eyes the International is the top of the leaderboard and rightly so, it's supposed to be the best of the best. However I've never been a fan of International sports, the quality on show is generally very poor. The Rugby World Cup was very average, the Football World Cup in 2010 was appalling. It might seem like silly comparisons but if you took one of the top 4 Premier League sides in Football and put them against England, they would absolutely destroy them. Sure, that might be because of the influx of foreign players. I think the same of a lot of sports though. This weekends Premiership had some of the best games I've ever seen, both results wise and games I've watched on the tele and saw highlights of.

I don't think it's a coincidence that while the forward dominated England game has been on the tele, the reserve players of some teams have been playing open Rugby and scoring tries for fun in the league.

Sale 46-34 Wasps - 6 tries to 3
Leicester 42-15 Newcastle - 6 tries to 2
Gloucester 29-23 - Harlequins - 3 tries to 2
London Irish 23-30 Northampton - 3 tries to 4

Sale absolutely destroyed Wasps before bringing on some subs and losing concentration and conceding 2 quick fire tries. The Gloucester and Harlequins game, from what I saw was the best advert for Union you could see. The Irish game today, again, from what I saw was really good, fast tempo Rugby.

I do think some people fail to see that it's a competitive championship, The 6 Nations. Any Englishman would have taken a 3-0 win over Wales. It was actually a decent game, played at a good pace and I think we were robbed at the end. I still say it was a try despite how many people tell me it wasn't. We are a brand new squad with brand new coaching staff and it will take time to gel. Right now it's about grinding out victories and we failed to do that yesterday. Don't be surprised with the kick fest on show when most of the squad is made up of Saracens, Northampton and Leicester players, 3 of the most forward dominating teams in the league.
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Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:09 pm  
Just a quick one Shark J. Didn't you have a dig at rugby league last season becuase of the high number of tries and porous defences? ;)
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Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:40 pm  
I did, and I maintain that. I was at Bradford vs Wigan last week (I'm a Wigan follower, not sure fan is the right word) and there were that many tries that most people were just talking and apart from those 50 or so kids (the ultras or whatever they're called) bouncing around all day, most people knew it was over at half time and the latter tries barely got a cheer. The skill level on show was very good and it was very clinical.

I know the differences between the 2 games so I know there's more tries in League. Part of me was joking, part of me was just defending myself in favour of Union.

But you're right. I was a bit gutted that Sale conceded 3 tries. We were the first team in 61 months not to concede a try at Northampton last week and we still lost. Then we concede what sounded like 3 daft tries against relegation threatened Wasps.

To be fair, I couldn't care less right now as we are in February and looking at a Heineken Cup place, even the play-offs. Usually at this time of the year I'm moaning to everybody about relegation. So it's all good!
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Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:10 pm  
Shark J is a crank. I never even realised you lurked down here in the depths of this forum
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Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:26 pm  
By crank he means I've known him for 7 years and he didn't know I posted on here, rather than a troll or a wind up merchant. He's a Leeds Rhinos fan so he's a bit special, God bless :D
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Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:55 pm  
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I did, and I maintain that. I was at Bradford vs Wigan last week (I'm a Wigan follower, not sure fan is the right word) and there were that many tries that most people were just talking and apart from those 50 or so kids (the ultras or whatever they're called) bouncing around all day, most people knew it was over at half time and the latter tries barely got a cheer. The skill level on show was very good and it was very clinical.

I know the differences between the 2 games so I know there's more tries in League. Part of me was joking, part of me was just defending myself in favour of Union.

But you're right. I was a bit gutted that Sale conceded 3 tries. We were the first team in 61 months not to concede a try at Northampton last week and we still lost. Then we concede what sounded like 3 daft tries against relegation threatened Wasps.

To be fair, I couldn't care less right now as we are in February and looking at a Heineken Cup place, even the play-offs. Usually at this time of the year I'm moaning to everybody about relegation. So it's all good!


but then you also have the likes of Exeter... jesus christ talk about dull. i'm sure that's about 3 games involving them now with no tries at all !!
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Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:10 am  
Too right. People won't shut up about Exeter and how well they've done since they've come up. They are right of course, but they're a horrible team to watch.

I'm travelling on my own to Sandy Park next weekend, 9 hours on the train in one day. I'll take any win right now but I hope we try to throw the ball around because I know they won't.
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Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:18 am  
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Don't be surprised with the kick fest on show when most of the squad is made up of Saracens, Northampton and Leicester players, 3 of the most forward dominating teams in the league.


I've watched England yawnion for 40 years, granted the last 20 totals about 40 minutes, but they have never done anything but kick & play conservatively. Unless it's against Japan & they are 60 up (20 penalties) then they might throw it around for the last 5.
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Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:40 am  
I enjoy both codes but after at least 40 years of watching the five/six Nations competitions I must say that the quality of european international RU is at it's lowest ebb - probably the only exiting moments have come from the Scots who have tried to play open attacking football only to throw away two games trhough inexperience and bad discipline
From what i've seen of british rugby on tv and quite a lot of live french Top 14 games this season the product is becoming more and more boring and even CA Brive are now resorting to offering deals to get the crowds in.
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