Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 17, 2012 10:03 pm  

Catalancs wrote:

Maybe now would be the perfect time for someone like Martínez to take the reins at Anfield. He'd have to go some to do worse than Dalglish and no one expects you to qualify for the Champions League next season. A season to build, a season to consolidate and then the third to challenge.

Not really, if we aren't improving, fans will ask why was Kenny sacked. Our owners and some of our fans will expect us to qualify for the Champions League, if not qualify at least be up there challenging for it until the last month.

Basically, we need a modern coach, a coach capable of working alongside a DoF, yet somebody good enough to get us competing with the more established quality sides, like Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and maybe even Newcastle if they keep their players. As I said, I like Martinez, but I think it's asking a lot of him to manage those expectations alongside the pressures of working at a big club with expectations. Say what you want about our poor performances on the field, we're still one of the biggest global brands around the globe, that matters when it comes to expectations and pressure.

For me, Martinez would be better off working his way through the 'food chain', if you will. Taste the Europa League, maybe even the Champions League if he's lucky, but to go from relegation survivor to big club with probable OTT expectations, it's just a bit much IMO.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 17, 2012 11:13 pm  

You love your DoF's, don't you?

IMO it's a difficult enough proposition to get the right manager in. That is the most important position. IF your new manager wants a DoF to share the responsibilities and do the things he doesn't want to do then you appoint a DoF. But what if you put a DoF in place and then find a "perfect" manager, but that manager says that he doesn't work with a DoF?

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri May 18, 2012 7:24 am  

Surely Martinez would be better taking the Villa job or a team like Sunderland before making the huge step up and gradually progress.

Thing is, what if we fall again under Martinez, he can't handle the pressure of being at a top club, we finish 8th again. Then what will we do sack Martinez? Have to start all over again? For me we need an experienced head to take us forward.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri May 18, 2012 7:39 am  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

Second best selling club merchandising in the entire world, and therefore second biggest established fanbase in the entire world. Ha! Jog on numpty

I'm sure Mourinho would take the job instantly if he knew your club had fans and can sell t-shirts

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri May 18, 2012 7:41 am  

Delusional. Brendan Rodgers has turned down an approach to speak to you.

What action will City take against Tevez? Fancy undermining your club in public like that.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri May 18, 2012 9:38 am  

Catalancs wrote:

Delusional. Brendan Rodgers has turned down an approach to speak to you.

What action will City take against Tevez? Fancy undermining your club in public like that.

One week's fine apparently. But hopefully it will make the club finally realise that hanging on to Tevez would be just asking for further trouble.

To be honest I didnt think the banner itself was that big a deal. If Fergie had recently died it would have been, but it was fairly obviously a reference to Fergies "not in my lifetime" comment. It might not have been terribly witty but on the scales of bad taste I didnt think it rated that highly. The mistake was putting it in the hands of Tevez, an employee of the club, someone with a ton of baggage and a known grievance against Fergie.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri May 18, 2012 10:25 am  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

You love your DoF's, don't you?

IMO it's a difficult enough proposition to get the right manager in. That is the most important position. IF your new manager wants a DoF to share the responsibilities and do the things he doesn't want to do then you appoint a DoF. But what if you put a DoF in place and then find a "perfect" manager, but that manager says that he doesn't work with a DoF?

Well the whole point is: we approach coaches that are happy to work in a structure where they won't be the ones going out scouting and picking players, or coaches apply for the job that are happy with that. Across the majority of Europe, it's commonplace for managers to just manage, only in England does it seem to be 'the way' that the manager goes out scouting every other week.

Ian Ayre has just come out doing an interview talking about the structure we want in place, it makes a lot of sense for the manager to be putting 100% of his focus in getting the best from his players, rather than going out to France, Italy or wherever to watch a player. I'm not saying the whole 'DoF' route is the right way, there is no right way, but I'd much prefer us to sign a manager who is a fantastic coach, rather than a manager who is a decent coach but top scout. For me, it makes more sense splitting the role at our club, but that's just me.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri May 18, 2012 11:47 am  

I don't mind Martínez and for his sake I hope he does the same as Rodgers and turns Liverpool down.
When you've got 'fans' coming out with stuff like;
"Kenny deserves our respect, and none was shown to him by our owners. Martinez if appointed therefore deserves no respect from us.
I'd much rather just give him (Roberto Martinez) poop in preseason and get him gone before the season."
you're on a hiding to nothing.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri May 18, 2012 12:39 pm  

Gandy wrote:

I'm sure Mourinho would take the job instantly if he knew your club had fans and can sell t-shirts

That wasn't the point - I'm sure Mourinho is perfectly happy thank you very much cruising the cafes of Madrid, coaching limitless supplies of worldclass talent and putting one over on Barcelona, and wouldn't willingly swap it for the delights of Southport and the loony melting pot of Anfield right now.

The point actually was that some numpty claimed Liverpool were no longer a big club. Empirical evidence proves categorically that Liverpool are one of the top 4 clubs in the world, irrespective of on-field underperformance. The manager who comes in and turns them around would be guaranteed the kind of worldwide adulation and legendary status that maybe only 2 or 3 other jobs in football could hope to match.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri May 18, 2012 12:56 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

That wasn't the point - I'm sure Mourinho is perfectly happy thank you very much cruising the cafes of Madrid, coaching limitless supplies of worldclass talent and putting one over on Barcelona, and wouldn't willingly swap it for the delights of Southport and the loony melting pot of Anfield right now.

The point actually was that some numpty claimed Liverpool were no longer a big club. Empirical evidence proves categorically that Liverpool are one of the top 4 clubs in the world, irrespective of on-field underperformance. The manager who comes in and turns them around would be guaranteed the kind of worldwide adulation and legendary status that maybe only 2 or 3 other jobs in football could hope to match.

I could probably sell a load of knocked off boxers in China - doesnt make me F****ng Calvin Klein!