Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:15 pm  

syphur55* wrote:

CJ is quite possibly the thickest of the thick, when it comes to discussing union. He is quite possibly the most blinkered one eyed RL (i'm a RL and RU fan by the way)fan I have ever come across.

His hatred of everything union borders on embarrassing and psychotic.

CJ, myself and others have told you before, calm down before you pop man, you'll make yourself sick!

A word of advice.

Before you decide to judge me on what you know about me and what I have been through I would keep quiet.

As I say to you as well as Shark J it's each to their own,if you decide to follow RL and RU then fine.

I am entitled to my opinion just as much as any person,and I will say to you as well if you don't like my opinions,tough luck.

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:27 pm  

Catalancs wrote:

Personally I couldn't give a monkey's about Wycombe. If the council prefer to chase the coin and make the union club their priority then it's them that should come under fire not the ru club.

Rumour going around that wasps are after Stefan Ratchford.
Was speaking to a couple of Orrell players and a union ref last week and none of them knew anything about the game at the Reebok. Come on super Mick Hogan, put those millions to use.

The problem at Wycombe isn't the council, it's the ambitions of Steve Hayes and/or Wasps to promote Wasps over Wycombe Wanderers by a manner which could be described as underhand. But then as I do know Wycombe fans, I can appreciate that it concerns me more than others!

I too am fairly stunned by Sale's lack of promotion of the Reebok game. I'd be interested in going along were I not occupied with sport already that weekend (taking someone to their first RL game, no less!), but I've seen no mention of prices, nothing in the MEN, or anything. In fact, as I live in Manchester and work in Halifax, I've seen more promotion of Siddal in recent weeks!!!

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:53 am  

CJ don't waist your breath on here mate,you're better then that.Let them talk about union all they like good luck to them. We have better things to talk about, the NRL infact.Not long before kick off time now.....

[Durham Giant]

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:39 am  

Shark J wrote:

Fair enough. I take your points.

I just don't understand the thinking of cj. If I'm not wrong he's a St Helens fan. Around 2 hours ago his team won away from home. And yet instead of celebrating over on the other forum he's taking a pop at a sport he knows nothing about.

I don't like League all that much, I have a soft spot for a few teams, but I don't like it on the whole. I think they're great athletes, their fitness and speed is something Union can't compete with - but I draw the line there. I find the games themselves to be too repetitive and boring. I can't understand how people can be quite happy to concede so many tries every week. Warrington and Leeds tonight being a great example. I don't understand how teams who are so big can concede so many tries every week - especially seeing as you're limited to 6 tackles, which is the worst part of the sport for me. As far as I'm concerned I don't see how every game isn't 0-0 with that rule. But it isn't. And it's your sport. And that's why I butt out of things I know nothing about.

cj doesn't even make a quiet entrance, he just jumps in with things that if he said in court he'd probably get charged for. "Killing off our game" is quite an accusation. And it isn't 1885 anymore, so he really needs to move on. As have 95% of League followers and 99.9% of Union followers. For a sport that's been apparently getting killed off - you've done well. You get similar attendances, nicer stadiums on the whole, a more competitive league pyramid of which puts our 2nd and 3rd tier to shame. You should be praising your game, rather than slating ours. But the bile you spout is utter nonsense and should be left in the past. I get the impression you're in your 40's or thereabouts. So unless you're a really old man, and got shafted by the RFU some time ago - I suggest you try and move on.

Who knows? When we (Sale) move to St Helens and take over your stadium, kick you all out of your jobs, and turn your town into a Union haven whilst you're forced out of your own ground - you might come and watch a game sometime*

*appropriate because some people can't detect sarcasm.

Obviously you are an educated poster judging by the way you format your posts. However you seem to be lacking in the thinking ability department.

You ask why RL games do not end in 0 0 scores and why there are so many tries compared to RU. maybe i could help.


The pitch is the same size but in RL there are two less players to defend the width of the pitch

In RL the game is about scoring tries as the team who score the most tries will win 99.9 % of the time. In RU the aim is to win possession and territory and to score points ( usually penalties and DGs). regularly the team who scores the most tries is NOT the team that wins

Rl players work harder and play more minutes than RU players . They do not have a 1 minute rest every 90 seconds ( or more sometimes it takes 4 minutes to finish a scrum). When players are tired they are more likely to make mistakes and allow try scoring opportunities.


RL players are far more skilful in handling the ball so much more attacking play takes place which will lead to tries being scored.

And as foor why some RL fans hate RU there are often good reasons for that. I could give many examples but the one that sums it up for me is one that includes my son.

When he was about 9 my ex enrolled him into playing RU at Durham ( against my wishes i wanted him too play RL). I used to accompany him to games or training. I used to talk to some of the dads etc and one day The coaches said that my son had good handling skills but needed to work on other apects of his game. I casually mentioned that WE watched RL and that i had spent a lot of time passing etc with him. Very Quickly he was marginalised and the cordial welcome i had been offered became very much colder. Very soon after that my son stopped attending. That was only 6 years ago.

The class system and discrimination in Rugby still exists.

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:01 pm  

Durham Giant wrote:

Obviously you are an educated poster judging by the way you format your posts. However you seem to be lacking in the thinking ability department.

You ask why RL games do not end in 0 0 scores and why there are so many tries compared to RU. maybe i could help.


The pitch is the same size but in RL there are two less players to defend the width of the pitch

In RL the game is about scoring tries as the team who score the most tries will win 99.9 % of the time. In RU the aim is to win possession and territory and to score points ( usually penalties and DGs). regularly the team who scores the most tries is NOT the team that wins

Rl players work harder and play more minutes than RU players . They do not have a 1 minute rest every 90 seconds ( or more sometimes it takes 4 minutes to finish a scrum). When players are tired they are more likely to make mistakes and allow try scoring opportunities.


RL players are far more skilful in handling the ball so much more attacking play takes place which will lead to tries being scored.

And as foor why some RL fans hate RU there are often good reasons for that. I could give many examples but the one that sums it up for me is one that includes my son.

When he was about 9 my ex enrolled him into playing RU at Durham ( against my wishes i wanted him too play RL). I used to accompany him to games or training. I used to talk to some of the dads etc and one day The coaches said that my son had good handling skills but needed to work on other apects of his game. I casually mentioned that WE watched RL and that i had spent a lot of time passing etc with him. Very Quickly he was marginalised and the cordial welcome i had been offered became very much colder. Very soon after that my son stopped attending. That was only 6 years ago.

The class system and discrimination in Rugby still exists.

I do have the thinking ability. You should appreciate it was purely in jest. There was no vitriol to it, it was just a brief summarisation of why I'm not a great fan of League.

Of course I know it's not as black and white as that. But they are the main points that stop me from liking the game over Union. I appreciate there are less players, but I still don't think the amount of tries is justified. I know the ball stays in play longer, but then League prides itself on fitness. So 80 minutes of running backwards and forwards for a few yards shouldn't tire them too much. Plus, it's rare that I see people making too many yards in one go, and once the person is grabbed they have to surrender the ball. So yeah, that's another thing. The fact that you can't win the ball at the tackle.

I think I said enough points praising League though to make you realise I'm not Union's version of cj.

As for the class thing. I'll probably stay out of that as I could go into a massive debate about it. I think class is something League fans think about far more than Union, along with the hatred of the other code. Most Union fans don't care about League, they don't give it a second thought or the time of day. There are a large amount who enjoy it, I'm sure. Plenty of Sale fans go to watch Warrington and Wigan. There are a minority who hate it as much as League hate Union, but it's nowhere near as bitter.

I think the class in Rugby is dependent on where you are. Unlike Football and Rugby League, I think the opposite applies as you go further down the pyramid. In League and Football, as you get towards the amateur game it becomes more working class. In Union it's the other way around. A couple of teams aside - the Premiership is about as mixed as it could get. And this is seen with the strange pricing categories and different types of seats. At Sale we have adult tickets ranging from £10-£47. To me this sums up the mix of people we get. Where I sit, in The Railway End, it's full of people who are just as normal and working class as the next bloke. But I'm sure in the platinum seats it's going to be full of corporates. Newcastle and Leeds are the same. I've never heard anybody called Tarquin speak with plums in his mouth like you might want to believe. I went to Northampton once and stood with the home fans and it was very uncomfortable and intimidating. Gloucester have the most notorious fans in the division, and if rumours are true then they'd even put Hull FC to shame in the idiot stakes.

However, if you go to the lower divisions, that's when I think the proper middle class clubs start to arise. This is of course speculation, but I can tell you first hand that at the games I've been to it has been as mixed in class as anywhere.

Though, to me, in 2011 - I cringe at talk of class. I come from a working class background and all my friends would call themselves working class. Yet, some of them are in their mid 20's and owns houses, are on very good money, own multiple cars etc etc. By definition that isn't working class, and 20 years ago if they had that life style they would be called toffs. I think that although the poor are getting poorer and rich are getting richer - we live in an age where it's sometimes impossible to categorise yourself in a group.

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:33 pm  

Shark J wrote:

Gloucester have the most notorious fans in the division, and if rumours are true then they'd even put Hull FC to shame in the idiot stakes.
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I've heard this a few times, actually, mainly from Leicester fans. And I'm not surprised, because Gloucester is a hole.

I've always been amazed that crappy Gloucester follows the posh sport, and posh Cheltenham follows a working man's sport

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:07 pm  

viviendo el sueno wrote:

what a terrible decision to take the under 23s game to the old crossleyans rugby union club......the same club who without notice turfed out 8 junior and 2 senior amateur rugby league teams from king cross park at the end of last season because they were told by the rugby football union that they would not receive some grant money for improvements whilst they had a rugby league section.................booted out at a monthly management meeting without warning and members of the committee saying....."we dont need rugby league here".................and even the treasurer saying "i never wanted them at our club in the first place"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! absolutely shocking decision halifax.................take the game to a amateur rugby league club or at the very least to another rugby union club who havent s~~t all over rugby league.......................shocking....................i hope nobody goes in the bar afterwards and lines thier pockets with much needed funds as they are down by tens of thousands of pounds since they kicked out king cross park !!!!!!!!!!!

One example of a rugby league person's reason for disliking union.
I'd say that not all union folk are the same.

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:33 pm  

Have Italy finally now arrived? The odd win against Wales and Scotland but never beaten anyone else, but I'd never have expected them to do France.

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:42 pm  

France were poor from highlights I saw but it's a massive step for Italy.
Am I the only one who's been thoroughly underwhelmed by this year's six nations?

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:23 pm  

Catalancs wrote:

France were poor from highlights I saw but it's a massive step for Italy.
Am I the only one who's been thoroughly underwhelmed by this year's six nations?

No, I haven't enjoyed it as much as I usually do. Maybe I'm growing up and developing RL tinted specs, or maybe the competition just hasn't been as good. Although my money is still on Wales to win.