Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:03 pm  

Jukesays wrote: You got a link to the article? https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... p-28020356

Jukesays wrote: You got a link to the article? https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... p-28020356

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:07 pm  

Stu M wrote:

I see Wane has said today that Newman will go back to Leeds a different player after 3 weeks with him. I'm sure Rohan Smith will appreciate those comments.

This is the side of Wane that I don't like, the incessant need to big himself up. Whether or not there's truth in what he's saying it doesn't need to be made public and its comments like that which wind opposition fans up.

This isn't an anti-Wigan thing either. If another high profile coach had said similar I would be quick to criticise. I'm sure he thinks the players in the squad have no idea of a good culture or a winning mentality. He couldn't be further from the truth.

Presume you’re referring to different comments to one’s I’ve noted below that I found in the Rugby League alive article?

Wane on Newman said-

“He’s been brilliant. He’s been fantastic, so enjoyable to coach. He’ll be in for a tough time tonight when we go through his video but a lot of good things and I rate him very highly. The way he’s changed and behaved the way I wanted him to behave has been outstanding so credit to the Rhinos, but they are also getting a player back who will be a different player.”

It can’t be that paragraph, so will have to wait for what you’ve seen to give a proper view.


On a side note, Newman himself has just said in an interview I watched that he thinks training and playing with guys like Whitehead, Bateman and Burgess will improve him for when he goes back to Leeds. Offensive to his Leeds teammates so you think?

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:12 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Presume you’re referring to different comments to one’s I’ve noted below that I found in the Rugby League alive article?

Wane on Newman said-

“He’s been brilliant. He’s been fantastic, so enjoyable to coach. He’ll be in for a tough time tonight when we go through his video but a lot of good things and I rate him very highly. The way he’s changed and behaved the way I wanted him to behave has been outstanding so credit to the Rhinos, but they are also getting a player back who will be a different player.”

It can’t be that paragraph, so will have to wait for what you’ve seen to give a proper view.


On a side note, Newman himself has just said in an interview I watched that he thinks training and playing with guys like Whitehead, Bateman and Burgess will improve him for when he goes back to Leeds. Offensive to his Leeds teammates so you think?

No. It’s that paragraph. What part of “they’ll be getting a player back who will be a different player” isn’t a pop at Leeds or Rohan Smith or telling everyone how great Wane is?

He’s given some credit to Leeds but he’s still insinuated that he’s performed miracles with him in 3 weeks.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:13 pm  

Stu M wrote:

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/england-obsessed-tonga-clean-sweep-28020356

It is that article..ffs

Come on Stu I had you down as being reasonable. You really are looking for things to have a go at if you’re saying Wane has come out and said he’ll be different “because he’s spent time with me”. Newman himself has commented how valuable it’s been to spend time with the NRL lads, the other players and in a different environment etc. He mentions how physically challenging the games are and how you can’t have a minute off.

Harry Smith will come back to Wigan a better player and a more confident player IMO as well. The same with many players going back to various clubs because of the different challenges you face, the way you go away from your comfort zone and from ideas taken from different coaches. Shaun Wane and Kristian Woolf have won numerous trophies between them, so you would like to think they’re pretty high level coaches as well, so maybe there is some potential players would benefit from working with them.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:17 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

It is that article..ffs

Come on Stu I had you down as being reasonable. You really are looking for things to have a go at if you’re saying Wane has come out and said he’ll be different “because he’s spent time with me”. Newman himself has commented how valuable it’s been to spend time with the NRL lads, the other players and in a different environment etc. He mentions how physically challenging the games are and how you can’t have a minute off.

Harry Smith will come back to Wigan a better player and a more confident player IMO as well. The same with many playets going back to various clubs.

Yip it is that article, hence why I asked for the link because I thought no way on earth can he mean the one I've seen

Talk about clutching at straws

He doesn't even say "better player after 3 weeks with HIM"

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:18 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

It is that article..ffs

Come on Stu I had you down as being reasonable. You really are looking for things to have a go at if you’re saying Wane has come out and said he’ll be different “because he’s spent time with me”. Newman himself has commented how valuable it’s been to spend time with the NRL lads, the other players and in a different environment etc. He mentions how physically challenging the games are and how you can’t have a minute off.

Harry Smith will come back to Wigan a better player and a more confident player IMO as well. The same with many playets going back to various clubs.

I guess it’s subjective and how you interpret it. If it’s a better player for mixing with NRL players and playing at a higher intensity then fair enough they are valid comments.

I read it as more in relation to behaviour/culture with saying it in the same context as talking about his recent behavioural issues.

For the sake of being fair I’ll reflect and cut him some slack seeing as I’ve not heard the full interview.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:19 pm  

The way he’s changed and behaved the way I wanted him to behave has been outstanding so credit to the Rhinos, but they are also getting a player back who will be a different player.”

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:20 pm  

Stu M wrote:

I guess it’s subjective and how you interpret it. If it’s a better player for mixing with NRL players and playing at a higher intensity then fair enough they are valid comments.

I read it as more in relation to behaviour/culture with saying it in the same context as talking about his recent behavioural issues.

For the sake of being fair I’ll reflect and cut him some slack seeing as I’ve not heard the full interview.

I'm.going to wait for NKs response to this (and I'll explain why later if you want).

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:26 pm  

Stu M wrote:

I guess it’s subjective and how you interpret it. If it’s a better player for mixing with NRL players and playing at a higher intensity then fair enough they are valid comments.

I read it as more in relation to behaviour/culture with saying it in the same context as talking about his recent behavioural issues.

For the sake of being fair I’ll reflect and cut him some slack seeing as I’ve not heard the full interview.

I think the modern society call it ‘unconscious bias’ and reading those comments in the way you have is a prime example IMO.

I recall Wanes comments after the World Cup semi final defeat and it was all ‘don’t blame the players, blame me, I’ve made mistakes, I need to be better’ and so on. To make out he’s some sort of attention grabbing, self obsessed big head is wrong from what I see and read.

Taking all comments out of the equation, Harry Newman has looked in a different frame of mind mentally, so something has worked but that could be Wane, the leaders within the group talking to him, Newman himself just realising he needs to change etc etc.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:30 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I think the modern society call it ‘unconscious bias’ and reading those comments in the way you have is a prime example IMO.

I recall Wanes comments after the World Cup semi final defeat and it was all ‘don’t blame the players, blame me, I’ve made mistakes, I need to be better’ and so on. To make out he’s some sort of attention grabbing, self obsessed big head is wrong from what I see and read.

Taking all comments out of the equation, Harry Newman has looked in a different frame of mind mentally, so something has worked.

Hands up I’ve had a long day at work and quickly read the article. If I’ve got it wrong then I’ve got it wrong.

However by the same token don’t portray Wane as some sort of shy, humble leader. He says things in public that don’t need to be said in public.

I completely agree with his comments on Wellens but he didn’t need to say them live on BBC1. A guy who he describes as a close friend. Those comments should be private and to Wellens only.