Re: Saints (m) : Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:49 am  

Phuzzy wrote:

Seriously? It was a staple on RedVee and still is occasionally. Obviously the likes of Stu, FTV, YG don't say it but ask TheWarringtonWolve69 how many would get into the Saints team if you'd like to see it on here too.

To be fair even the good posters can be quite disparaging at times. Look at FTVs comments pre season on squad depth and compare it to what has actually materialised this season. He's a great poster and adds to this board but I remember comments along the lines of we're just replacing average players with other average players, Byrne and Smithies are just more examples of the 'too small' forwards we produce and Harry Smith was the next best thing until he wasn't. Not exactly a reasoned view when you consider how this season has panned out so far.

Better still ask that clown Webbo to post!

Re: Saints (m) : Sat Jul 09, 2022 12:07 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Personally, I can't wait until this game week has passed. We play Saints and it turns into silly week (from both sides) on here.

I've said these two points a million times. 1 - I couldn't care less with the whataboutism of "on Redvee" they said this, or "I wonder what Redvee is saying". I can't believe people who don't support Saints, go on there and then cry about what they read. Easy to call them sad, but it also takes a sad person to go on there and login to respond.

2 - People from both clubs need to hear this one. Saints are our biggest rivals, but they certainly aren't the enemy. There's plenty of teams in this league who do more damage to Wigan & the sport than Saints. They produce their own top players, bring plenty of fans to every game and have a rich heritage that sells the sport (now what other club does that remind me of?? )

Instead of squabbling about who's better between the plethora of players both sides have produced, fans should be sticking it to the other clubs who instead of investing in young lads, just poach them. Or the clubs who over inflate the salaries of half decent players, as they want the weaken the top teams. Making life difficult for everyone.

Good post.

Re: Saints (m) : Sat Jul 09, 2022 1:14 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

Seriously? It was a staple on RedVee and still is occasionally. Obviously the likes of Stu, FTV, YG don't say it but ask TheWarringtonWolve69 how many would get into the Saints team if you'd like to see it on here too.

To be fair even the good posters can be quite disparaging at times. Look at FTVs comments pre season on squad depth and compare it to what has actually materialised this season. He's a great poster and adds to this board but I remember comments along the lines of we're just replacing average players with other average players, Byrne and Smithies are just more examples of the 'too small' forwards we produce and Harry Smith was the next best thing until he wasn't. Not exactly a reasoned view when you consider how this season has panned out so far.

That’s not true - I said a couple of decent props and a new coach would transform you but I didn’t think it would be enough to challenge saints and Catalans. I also thought Leeds would be far better than they have been. I always said the biggest thing for Wigan was replacing the clown coaching you.

I still think come business end it will be between saints and Catalans

Re: Saints (m) : Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:21 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

That’s not true - I said a couple of decent props and a new coach would transform you but I didn’t think it would be enough to challenge saints and Catalans. I also thought Leeds would be far better than they have been. I always said the biggest thing for Wigan was replacing the clown coaching you.

I still think come business end it will be between saints and Catalans

Ask any Wigan fan at the start of the season and you would have been told we would have been happy to just compete with teams. I think we can give both you and Catalan a game (no mention of the nilling please)

I still think there is a way for us to get to the GF but if not I’m happy with the progress made and would be looking forward to the next year where I feel looking at the club we can improve further. We all have our time in the sun, unless your Warrington which I hope those lot stay in the shade for another 50 years

Re: Saints (m) : Sat Jul 09, 2022 3:25 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

That’s not true - I said a couple of decent props and a new coach would transform you but I didn’t think it would be enough to challenge saints and Catalans. I also thought Leeds would be far better than they have been. I always said the biggest thing for Wigan was replacing the clown coaching you.

I still think come business end it will be between saints and Catalans

Mate, I don't want to squabble but that is exactly what you said. You said the reason we didn't lose much when replacing players is because we were only replacing average players with similar average players whereas Saints would feel it more because they were replacing higher quality players. The "Harry Smith was the next big thing until he wasn't" is almost verbatim your phrase! I'll find and quote the posts when I have more time if you like but, trust me, that is what you said.

Re: Saints (m) : Sat Jul 09, 2022 3:40 pm  

"Wigan recently develop a lot of small fairly average forwards that get raved about for reasons I don’t yet understand. Looking at your team who are the really stand out players developed at Wigan? All your best players have been signed. Farrell and Marshall maybe? Then a bunch of forwards who get shown up quite a lot against decent packs. Smith was the next big thing until he wasn’t."

There you go mate. Almost verbatim what I said

Re: Saints (m) : Sat Jul 09, 2022 3:58 pm  

Some interesting opinions on this thread. I will never like St Helens but certainly respect them and what they’ve achieved. The more clubs like ourselves, St Helens and Leeds who regularly compete and produce quality young players the better off the sport will be.

Hopefully today will be a good game, we are improving and have shown we can raise the bar but St Helens are still the team to beat and should be favourites.

I still can’t see past St Helens winning the big one this year. Next year will be the real interesting one, will Roby carry on? Woolf to leave with rumours of Wellens talking over. Will he be a Wane or a Cunningham? Interesting times ahead.

Re: Saints (m) : Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:07 pm  

Poor start, dropped ball, penalty and cannot make any yards, they are walking over us. Hopefully we find our feet pretty soon.

Re: Saints (m) : Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:37 pm  

Poor game really - neither team has found their rhythm at all. At least we managed to keep them to 2 when their forwards were on top early.

Re: Saints (m) : Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:54 pm  

Saints really put everything into thay opening 20, probably why we made so many errors. They struggled towards the end of the half and the error count evened up (by errors I mean with and without the ball).