[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

Re: OFFICIAL - Peet confirmed as new coach : Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:21 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Why would Ciraldo come? He turned Wests & the sharks down, so he knows he's on the radar of the NRL.

I honestly believe that, at this moment in time, there's a lack of quality options available in the NRL. I've said it before, but there's 5 or 6 assistants who've moved around in the last couple of years. It takes a while for things to settle and new guys to earn their stripes. After that Bennett will be pulling together a brand new coaching dept together for the expansion side.

Peet is was 100% the right option imo.

Wasn't the Sharks job just as an assistant next season to Fitzgibbon?

Has he actually turned down the Wests job yet? We've known for a while there'd be an opening for next season, maybe if we'd got in early with a head coach job we may have had a chance, but we'll never know.

Re: OFFICIAL - Peet confirmed as new coach : Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:23 pm  

Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy wrote:

I've given you plenty of reasons - you just decided to ignore them.

No you haven't. You've said you wanted someone to come in and shake it up without knowing whether he'll do that or not and that this is somewhat an easy option because he's in the "wigan bubble"

His CV is arguably better than Ciraldo's in terms of experience but because he has an Australian accent you'd bring in him over a guy who has been coaching for the last 11 years and heading up the best youth system in RL.

Re: OFFICIAL - Peet confirmed as new coach : Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:30 pm  

Wasn't very optimistic when it was all rumours but now it's all announced officially i am quite excited. Delighted someone like Briers is coming in. That can only be an advantage to Peet.

Now for the recruitment..... We are still waaaayyyy short on quality.

Re: OFFICIAL - Peet confirmed as new coach : Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:31 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Lenagan made a real point of saying they’re both assistant coaches, not one defence coach and one attacking coach and Peet also said they’ll cross over. I got the sense from Peet that Briers will focus mostly on attack though and Lockers on defence but maybe with more cross over than before. Lenagan certainly seems to keep an eye on the forums (commenting about fans calling this move out as penny pinching today) and I could see them wanting to avoid the situation where fans are saying ‘poor attack means it’s Briers fault’ and ‘poor defence is Lockers fault’. We seemed to have a bit of that with Winder recently.

I’ve no doubt whatsoever that the new structure will be costing the club more money but the strengthening of senior management within the club has at arms length has been long overdue.

If I was an assistant coach I’d want to cover all aspects of play particularly if I was ambitious and wanted the head coach role. I’d just find being an attack coach too restrictive.

I thought IL looked more like his old self today. Sounded more confident too.
Yeah maybe he was laying down a marker to avoid individual criticism which could be part of rebuilding the “team” ethic.

Re: OFFICIAL - Peet confirmed as new coach : Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:32 pm  

Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy wrote:

Wasn't the Sharks job just as an assistant next season to Fitzgibbon?

Has he actually turned down the Wests job yet? We've known for a while there'd be an opening for next season, maybe if we'd got in early with a head coach job we may have had a chance, but we'll never know.

Yeah it was another assistants job, but I'm sure it would have offered him either more money or progression.

As far as I'm aware/read, he's turned the Wests job down.

For me, NRL coaches are great but last 2-3 years max. I'm happy that we've backed Peet and there's the potential that, at his age, he could be here 10+ years. If we can progress who we have and stop being walk overs when it comes to players leaving, then there's an exciting future for the club imo.

[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

Re: OFFICIAL - Peet confirmed as new coach : Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:37 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

No you haven't. You've said you wanted someone to come in and shake it up without knowing whether he'll do that or not and that this is somewhat an easy option because he's in the "wigan bubble"

His CV is arguably better than Ciraldo's in terms of experience but because he has an Australian accent you'd bring in him over a guy who has been coaching for the last 11 years and heading up the best youth system in RL.

Yes I have - new ideas are needed and as I previously pointed out, when we've looked at something new and made a step change we've gone Australian, because unfortunately that is where the sport is played at another level compared to here. Ciraldo's extremely well thought of over there in the same way Maguire was.

Any new appointment is a risk so nobody knows if Peet or anyone else will be a success, but I'd take Grand Final winning Penrith's current assistant thanks - you obviously wouldn't.

Re: OFFICIAL - Peet confirmed as new coach : Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:47 pm  

Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy wrote:

Yes I have - new ideas are needed and as I previously pointed out, when we've looked at something new and made a step change we've gone Australian, because unfortunately that is where the sport is played at another level compared to here. Ciraldo's extremely well thought of over there in the same way Maguire was.

Any new appointment is a risk so nobody knows if Peet or anyone else will be a success, but I'd take Grand Final winning Penrith's current assistant thanks - you obviously wouldn't.

How do you know that Peet doesn't have new ideas? You don't, and that reason is based on what you want and not on his CV or his experience etc.

What he does have is a very good CV as an assistant, as an head coach at academy level and I personally have heard very good things about him. All things that will do for me.

Was/is Ciraldo even available? If not then it's all pipe dreams. If we can pick who we want then i'll have Cleary please. Isn't that simple is it.

Re: OFFICIAL - Peet confirmed as new coach : Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:49 pm  

People can agree or disagree with the appointment all they like but we’re here now and it’s happening, so surely everyone may as well give him a chance.

I noted that Lenagan mentioned his history for giving assistants the top job again today and bar Lam, who was a caretaker only to begin with, most have been excellent appointments. Is that just luck on Lenagans part? I’m not too sure. I’d like to think he sees something in them or is at least savvy enough to speak to the right people and get their recommendations on them. It’s not like they’ve not had long enough to form an opinion on Matty Peet, so hopefully the timing of the appointment is just right. The names of assistants Lenagan has appointed include Brian McDermott, Michael Maguire and Shaun Wane. These guys have 8 superleague and 1 NRL grand final win between them, along with a few challenge cups and WCC victories. It’s not a bad record is it?! Another name he threw out was Chris Wilder in football, who he gave his first managers job at Oxford United. He did an unbelievable job with Sheffield United after that, turning them around, taking them up through two divisions and then guided them to premier league safety at a canter and on a shoestring in their first season.

Lenagan has a history for picking the right men to coach his clubs. I’ll forgive him Adrian Lam and keep my fingers crossed this one will be like those four names mentioned above.

Re: OFFICIAL - Peet confirmed as new coach : Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:51 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

, so surely everyone may as well give him a chance.

Why do that when we can just moan??

Re: OFFICIAL - Peet confirmed as new coach : Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:01 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

Why do that when we can just moan??

I get peoples reservations and in fairness to Wigan/Leeds Andy, he’s always very sensible with his posts, so I can live with his concerns about this appointment. I think we’re all unsure on how it will go but my view was always that unless a clean sweep was going to be done by totally clearing out the staff and letting a new man bring in his people and his players (which was never happening), then we should go back to Wane and what we know works. We’ve gone somewhere in between but we have good people involved and things can only get better (well once I’ve got watching Saints win another Grand Final out of the way on Saturday evening).