Re: Leeds game : Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:17 pm  

By modern superleague standards at centre Moon is a pretty good one but in the grand scheme of things he's not all that. He does a couple of flashy eye catching things but Hall isn't exactly being given 5 chances a game to finish by Moon.

Dare I say it but I think both Leeds centres are overrated. Imagine the trys and assists centres like Gary Connelly,Paul Newlove and Jamie Lyon would rack up at this current standard!

Re: Leeds game : Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:33 pm  

Moon is a very good player and his defensive work is consistently very good especially considering he has often had two HB's defending outside him when Burrow is on at hooker. Even though he had a good season last year he just doesn't have a truly natural position. Hall's try tallies started to drop as soon as Moon arrived.

Re: Leeds game : Fri Mar 11, 2016 7:21 am  

ThePrinter wrote:

Moon is a very good player and his defensive work is consistently very good especially considering he has often had two HB's defending outside him when Burrow is on at hooker. Even though he had a good season last year he just doesn't have a truly natural position. Hall's try tallies started to drop as soon as Moon arrived.

I am sure you are right in his defensive qualities however, he is a perfect example of the modern day thinking that players must be flexible and play in several positions even if they don't have the capabilities to play in some positions.
Hall is one of the best wingers I have ever seen and these days he relies on kicks for a significant proportion of his tries and rarely gets a chance with ball in hand with a bit of space to work with. It is a sad indictment on the game that wingers today rely primarily on kicks for try opportunities. We have the same issue with both of our wingers.

Re: Leeds game : Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:28 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

By modern superleague standards at centre Moon is a pretty good one but in the grand scheme of things he's not all that. He does a couple of flashy eye catching things but Hall isn't exactly being given 5 chances a game to finish by Moon.

Dare I say it but I think both Leeds centres are overrated. Imagine the trys and assists centres like Gary Connelly,Paul Newlove and Jamie Lyon would rack up at this current standard!

I really do believe its a lot to do with how we play. We are the polar opposite to your team who all play within a structure and to set plans, where it has tended to be more off the cuff plays at Leeds that has brought us success the last decade. Ryan Hall would be getting 30 plus tries in your team over the last few years, where he has been starved of good ball for us at times and Moon like you say isn't a wingers centre for all his other qualities which adds to the lack of potency on the flanks at times. Watkins too is under used by us in good attacking positions, at times he looks a world beater and has it in him to rip any side to shreds but doesn't do it, or doesn't get the chance to it often enough. The defensive side of his game has come on leaps and bounds the last couple of seasons though.

Re: Leeds game : Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:29 am  

Leeds overall style of play affects Halls try tally as well to be fair to Moon. They throw the ball about and I'd guess they score a higher percentage of their trys around the middle then us for example. If Hall was at Wigan he'd have scored 30 trys every year for the past five years because we always target the flanks. In that time our wingers haven't always had centres of the calibre of Watkins or Moon alongside them but the trys keep coming.

Whilst I've stated above I think Watkins and Moon are overrated I'd still say they're two of the best 3 or 4 currently kicking around the league.

Re: Leeds game : Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:30 am  

MadDogg wrote:

Just a side note on tomorrows game- if Wigan win it will be 25 home Super League victories in a row.

No one can deny that is impressive.

Exceptional achievement. Wonder what the record is for SL? i would guess it was Saints at some point at KR.

Re: Leeds game : Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:31 am  

Biff Tannen wrote:

I really do believe its a lot to do with how we play. We are the polar opposite to your team who all play within a structure and to set plans, where it has tended to be more off the cuff plays at Leeds that has brought us success the last decade. Ryan Hall would be getting 30 plus tries in your team over the last few years, where he has been starved of good ball for us at times and Moon like you say isn't a wingers centre for all his other qualities which adds to the lack of potency on the flanks at times. Watkins too is under used by us in good attacking positions, at times he looks a world beater and has it in him to rip any side to shreds but doesn't do it, or doesn't get the chance to it often enough. The defensive side of his game has come on leaps and bounds the last couple of seasons though.

Weird!

Typing pretty much the same at the same time.

I obviously fully agree

Re: Leeds game : Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:32 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

Weird!

Typing pretty much the same at the same time.

I obviously fully agree

Re: Leeds game : Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:42 am  

Ryan Hall is a good player, but all this WBW business... I was watching the NRL last night and it struck me. Know who Hall reminds me of? Josh Mansour. He's a good player, but no-one would call him the WBW.

Re: Leeds game : Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:03 pm  

moto748 wrote:

Ryan Hall is a good player, but all this WBW business... I was watching the NRL last night and it struck me. Know who Hall reminds me of? Josh Mansour. He's a good player, but no-one would call him the WBW.

Tbf the WBW name was given around 2011/12 around the time he scored some top class tries at international (the one in the corner when Slater broke his collarbone for example) and was MOM in the 2012 WCC and was still scoring a lot of tries. He still comes up with moments like the 2 vs Cas in the cup final and the playoff one vs Saints that help remind you why it was first coined. Like others have said I think he'd have gotten 30 tries a year these last few seasons had he been on Wigan's wing.