Re: George Williams : Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:48 am  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

I agree, but there's also a third one, the one that Wigan think he's worth. I saw one person quote that Williams had been offered £100K per season more from Wire than Wigan.

If that's the case than I wouldn't blame him at all for taking the offer, and I certainly won't blame Wigan for failing to match it.

It would be interesting to know which value was higher i.e did Wire go above what GW expected?

This won't be a popular opinion, but I can't disagree more with the point about GW taking Wires offer. Imo GW is the lowest of the low for this move. He's $h!t on a club that's done right by him, all to chase £££. Loyalty and legacy are dead in RL and people wonder why players get stick.

I can name you loads of players who turned down more lucrative offers to stay at their original club and became legends. SOL had opportunities to move, but stayed. Cam Smith turned down big pay options to finish his career in QLD, but didn't want to play against the Storm.

GW is an absolute grub imo.

Re: George Williams : Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:53 am  

The other point is that allegedly in this move Austin will go to Leeds, so 2 of our rivals (although Leeds are more mid-table) are strengthened whilst we have an injury crisis.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: George Williams : Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:06 am  

Wigg'n wrote:

The other point is that allegedly in this move Austin will go to Leeds, so 2 of our rivals (although Leeds are more mid-table) are strengthened whilst we have an injury crisis.

us maybe, leeds (after having watched austin for 2 n a bit years) not so much

Re: George Williams : Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:14 am  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

us maybe, leeds (after having watched austin for 2 n a bit years) not so much

do they need a winger?

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: George Williams : Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:15 am  

[Gareth] wrote:

do they need a winger?

usually

Re: George Williams : Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:48 am  

Ah well let's move on now . Wire still won't win naff all whoever they sign

Re: George Williams : Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:51 am  

sergeant pepper wrote:

It would be interesting to know which value was higher i.e did Wire go above what GW expected?

This won't be a popular opinion, but I can't disagree more with the point about GW taking Wires offer. Imo GW is the lowest of the low for this move. He's $h!t on a club that's done right by him, all to chase £££. Loyalty and legacy are dead in RL and people wonder why players get stick.

I can name you loads of players who turned down more lucrative offers to stay at their original club and became legends. SOL had opportunities to move, but stayed. Cam Smith turned down big pay options to finish his career in QLD, but didn't want to play against the Storm.

GW is an absolute grub imo.

Don't necessarily agree here. You're talking as a fan where you have a loyalty for life (as I have). For players its employment and a short career at that.

Let's try and take the emotion out of it with an alternative scenario:

You have a good career in Tech, you were employed by Microsoft in the UK and came through their apprenticeship programme giving them five good years. You then decide to have a career gap by going over to Australia for two years with the GF
After 18 months you head back to the UK as the GF is pregnant.

Once back in the UK you receive an offer back at Microsoft for £200k per year which allows you to work locally so you can be close to family and friends. The salary is a little higher than what you previously had. However you also receive a counter offer from Apple UK for £300k per year, same deal.

New start, new baby. What do you do?

Re: George Williams : Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:05 am  

MattyB wrote:

Don't necessarily agree here. You're talking as a fan where you have a loyalty for life (as I have). For players its employment and a short career at that.

Let's try and take the emotion out of it with an alternative scenario:

You have a good career in Tech, you were employed by Microsoft in the UK and came through their apprenticeship programme giving them five good years. You then decide to have a career gap by going over to Australia for two years with the GF
After 18 months you head back to the UK as the GF is pregnant.

Once back in the UK you receive an offer back at Microsoft for £200k per year which allows you to work locally so you can be close to family and friends. The salary is a little higher than what you previously had. However you also receive a counter offer from Apple UK for £300k per year, same deal.

New start, new baby. What do you do?

It isn't the same tho.

My hypothetical career at Microsoft isn't going to cement my place in history books of tech. I'm not going to create a legacy in a regular job. That's the opportunity for these guys. Do it correctly and be the best and you'll be a Boston, Hanley, Radders etc. Which is better than "remember that GW guy who went to Wire for a bit of cash". As a son, I'd also be more proud of my old man to say "he's a Wigan all time great", than I've got a bit of bob because my old man had a decent job.

There's some things that money can't buy. Listen to Wane talk about going to Leeds (I know he was released by Wigan) and see what actually being passionate about your home town club can do.

Re: George Williams : Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:10 am  

sergeant pepper wrote:

It would be interesting to know which value was higher i.e did Wire go above what GW expected?

This won't be a popular opinion, but I can't disagree more with the point about GW taking Wires offer. Imo GW is the lowest of the low for this move. He's $h!t on a club that's done right by him, all to chase £££. Loyalty and legacy are dead in RL and people wonder why players get stick.

I can name you loads of players who turned down more lucrative offers to stay at their original club and became legends. SOL had opportunities to move, but stayed. Cam Smith turned down big pay options to finish his career in QLD, but didn't want to play against the Storm.

GW is an absolute grub imo.

He doesn't deserve that stick at all. It's a short career that could end the next time he is tackled. God knows what career prospects he has once he retires, and he may have a wife/kids to provide for as well. No issue at all with him signing for whoever offered the best contract, especially if the difference in offers was large.

Re: George Williams : Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:10 am  

sergeant pepper wrote:

It isn't the same tho.

My hypothetical career at Microsoft isn't going to cement my place in history books of tech. I'm not going to create a legacy in a regular job. That's the opportunity for these guys. Do it correctly and be the best and you'll be a Boston, Hanley, Radders etc. Which is better than "remember that GW guy who went to Wire for a bit of cash". As a son, I'd also be more proud of my old man to say "he's a Wigan all time great", than I've got a bit of bob because my old man had a decent job.

There's some things that money can't buy. Listen to Wane talk about going to Leeds (I know he was released by Wigan) and see what actually being passionate about your home town club can do.

Martin Offiah is a grub, could have been a Widnes legend. Went for the £££.
Gary Connolly is a grub, could have been a Saints legend. Went for the £££.
Joe Lydon is a grub, could have been a Widnes legend. Went for the £££.
Ellery Hanley is a grub, could have been a Bradford legend. Went for the £££.

See what I did there?