Suppose it’ll depend on their history, especially history regarding those types of tackles.

Mike Critchley (from the St Helens Star ) has asked if the England v France game will count towards the ban for me it shouldn't

It probably will although it shoudlnt

However, with the England being a certain Mr Wane, maybe he wont pick Knowles just to make sure he misses 5 league games....

It won't matter, there's a reserves round the same weekend as the International and that WILL count for both Knowles and Dudson, and anybody else for that matter whose suspension falls on that weekend
I don't agree with it but it's always been the case and I'm sure we will have benefitted in the past, as Joe Westerman did earlier in the season.

It's wrong, though, isn't it, whoever benefits? It's contrary to the spirit of the game, and should be stopped.

Agree 100%

we got it refused last year for Elllis's ban

Quote thesaint71="thesaint71"Be interesting to see if any other player gets a 5 match ban for the same offence'" We already know that they won't given Smithies got one match for a textbook hip drop in the same game: https://twitter.com/tony_gee21/status/1 ... m_mRScAkbA

Quote thesaint71="thesaint71"Be interesting to see if any other player gets a 5 match ban for the same offence'" We already know that they won't given Smithies got one match for a textbook hip drop in the same game: https://twitter.com/tony_gee21/status/1 ... m_mRScAkbA

Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"We already know that they won't given Smithies got one match for a textbook hip drop in the same game: https://twitter.com/tony_gee21/status/1 ... m_mRScAkbA'" Welsby wasn’t being held by 2 other players, Smithies hasn’t been cautioned for it before and he hadn’t ruled a player out of the game for 6 months previously. That’s before we take in to account the 12 month injury caused ‘this time’. Other than that, it’s pretty much like for like.

Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"We already know that they won't given Smithies got one match for a textbook hip drop in the same game: https://twitter.com/tony_gee21/status/1 ... m_mRScAkbA'" Welsby wasn’t being held by 2 other players, Smithies hasn’t been cautioned for it before and he hadn’t ruled a player out of the game for 6 months previously. That’s before we take in to account the 12 month injury caused ‘this time’. Other than that, it’s pretty much like for like.

When has Knowles been charged for a hip drop tackle before? He may have been but the McGilivray one he certainly wasn't. Watching that video there are three in the tackle and Lussick seems to force Knowles over.

Just find it strange that a tackle that is under such scrutiny for being dangerous can attract a four match difference. Or is it just the injury? If so that seems odd as surely we should punish tackles that risk injury not wait until an injury then punish them more severely.

I'm not saying he didn't deserve a ban, just wonder what the 3/4 match difference between other recent hip drop tackles is all about - it's quite a gap!

I know Gus Gould divides opinion and his arrogance can be irritating but I'd encourage everyone to listen to the latest 6 tackles with Gus podcast where tackling technique is discussed - its very interesting.

Presumed the McGillvary one was cautioned and it’s absolutely staggering if it wasn’t. I also thought I read yesterday he’d had a warning for it this season but I’ve not got Knowles charge sheet to hand (can’t afford the paper) . I’m not defending Smithies, he is possibly lucky to get one match and next time it should be many more because he’s had a warning now (same for Batchelor).

Knowles ruling a fellow England player out for 6 months should’ve been warning enough for him. The farcical successful appeal for seemingly trying to twist a players arm out of place should’ve been another or he then could’ve took heed of the 8 times he’d been looked at by the disciplinary this season but it just continues happening and it looks like things have caught up with him a bit (although granted he doesn’t miss the combined 18 months he put McGillvary and Cooper out for).