True. But IMO if it wasn't true, Charlie has already "slurred" both their characters sufficently to see some kind of comeback.

It would make sense tbh in terms of team selection and Noble seemingly wanting to get a 6 in.

Very true but never under estimate how much politics goes on at a professional sports organisation.

An example of selection politics. we played Catalan. A forward had an injury doubt. So a reserve forward was given the reserve spot. At the last minute that was changed and Sam T was given his place. The forward with the injury doubt broke down within minute of the game starting and we had no reserve for him on the bench.

Just as a really silly example. The reserves drew a game v Bradford last season IIRC and Sam T bombed a try when all he had to do was pass the ball. He was told not to turn up at the post match video evaluation and when the rest of the team were shown the plus/negative points they ended the analysis before the last couple of minutes so to avoid showing the error by Sam T. How crazy is that



What we as fans do not realise is that sometimes coaches make promises to players and then if they break that promise it becomes an issue.

You complain if I post as regards you and yet you are here again.

I would be interested to know who gave Cruncher my IP addresses also. Invasion of privacy?

It seems IL deliberately didnt sign a 6 thinking it would force Noble would play Tomkins.

Noble was obsessed with signing Bird. However, the rumours re unloading other plyers cause a great deal of unest.

Just to back you up on this Charlie, I was told of friction between them last season.

I agree that Sam should be given a proper chance as there is absolutely no spark in our attack what so ever!!

However we had one of the best stand offs in the world here last season and our attack was still very very poor. I think Nobles coaching style is killing us more than just simply not having a decent 6 or giving Sam a go.

Agree with all this, but what is the reason for the obvious "flatness" in the team? Their body language was terrible yesterday, plodding around everywhere with no urgency. Could it be the way they are being coached that is getting them down?

The only time we saw what Trent could do at his best was usually when the game plan went out of the window and we were playing catch up rugby, i feel sure had Trent been playing yesterday we would be talking about a garbage performance but a narrow win, i am affraid Noble has lost his major bit of paper to cover some significant cracks in his approach to the game losing TB.

Gb under Noble were the same, as were Bradford towards the end of his time there.

Coincidence?

This was the main reason i was not happy when he was appointed truth be told, that along with his one man rugby approach.

I never noticed his defensive plays at Braford or GB to be honest but it would be interesting to see if they match the tactics he employs with us.

LOL so are you saying that Tony Smith's team looked better than Nobles? GB at least put up some kind of fight against the Aussies with Noble as coach and as for Bradford looking flat well Noble left them as world champions so that blows that theory out of the water.

Ah good. So you got that message before it was removed.

This childishness is over as far as I'm concerned. It's up to you whether you want to start it up again.

Stick to your rugby assessments and lay off the childish personal stuff, and we'll all be a lot happier.