Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Mon May 09, 2022 4:26 pm  

MattyB wrote:

Funnily enough just after the game ref Ian Smith was asked his opinion on this exact shot on twitter, he stated that he would have given the try had he been the video referee.

Therein lies the problem, watch this at full speed and its quite obvious it's an offside.

Tbh, I'm looking at that pic and I'm not 100% convinced they are offside. The ball seems to be inline with the other feet, but it's really hard to tell. If it went up as a try, I think they'd struggle to over rule it, but likewise if it went up as no try they'd also struggle to reverse that one too.

The issue I have, and I hate refs, is their higher than mighty attitude. Go to the screen FFS. It's Wigan Vs Saints in a CC semi. Use the tech to help and, at least, try and get the right outcome. Sadly it was the Child's show.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Mon May 09, 2022 4:39 pm  

MadDogg wrote:

Does anyone know the specifics of the offside rule - I.e. does a player need to be behind the ball, foot kicking the ball or the standing leg? With video ref decisions it seems to be if someone is more or less level then play on. Generally speaking I don't have an issue with that but maybe a different story when it's a big decision like the one on Sat.

Could completely understand Cade Cust's frustration with the ref for not even checking.

Someone may prove me wrong but I thought both feet had to be behind the ball.

The photo on the link pretty conclusively shows that 2 or 3 players were offside.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Mon May 09, 2022 4:39 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Tbh, I'm looking at that pic and I'm not 100% convinced they are offside. The ball seems to be inline with the other feet, but it's really hard to tell. If it went up as a try, I think they'd struggle to over rule it, but likewise if it went up as no try they'd also struggle to reverse that one too.

The issue I have, and I hate refs, is their higher than mighty attitude. Go to the screen FFS. It's Wigan Vs Saints in a CC semi. Use the tech to help and, at least, try and get the right outcome. Sadly it was the Child's show.

the sad fact is we do not have a single 'good' referee. the current lot as almost as bad as Terry Albert

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Mon May 09, 2022 10:26 pm  

That is true. Trite to say it, but I don't think there's any way that try would have been given in the NRL. They have better tech than us though; more camera angles, clearer resolution. BUt of course the main point is, it should have gone to the VR.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Mon May 09, 2022 10:30 pm  

[Gareth] wrote:

the sad fact is we do not have a single 'good' referee. the current lot as almost as bad as Terry Albert

Come back, Ashley Klein, all is forgiven!

Probably the worst of the NRL refs, but still better than any of ours.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Tue May 10, 2022 7:14 am  

No ban for Sironen for the high shot on Marshy, unbelievable. The lad seems to have taken over Maloney for constantly going high.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Tue May 10, 2022 7:41 am  

Still gutted about the result, but just wanted to say I was really impressed with Harry Smith and thought he was your MOM. His long kicking game was exceptional. It deflated me every time I saw him welly it 70 metres only for it to find the ground so can only imagine how the Saints players were feeling. Gutted about the mistake made for your last try with it being a pass that didn't need throwing, but that was some game to watch.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Tue May 10, 2022 8:07 am  

WWste wrote:

No ban for Sironen for the high shot on Marshy, unbelievable. The lad seems to have taken over Maloney for constantly going high.

I was so surprised he got away with a ban (or even a citing by the looks of things) given his previous troubles.

It’s the total wild swings on decisions that annoy people. They seem incapable of finding sensible ground. How can you go from any contact with a player above the shoulders being sin bins/red cards and decent bans, to now you not even getting penalties on occasion? (Like Paasi clocking Havard on the nose).

They’ve made an absolute mess of officiating this year. It’s a tough job, we get that, but talk about making it impossible for yourselves.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Tue May 10, 2022 8:51 am  

The Reaper wrote:

Still gutted about the result, but just wanted to say I was really impressed with Harry Smith and thought he was your MOM. His long kicking game was exceptional. It deflated me every time I saw him welly it 70 metres only for it to find the ground so can only imagine how the Saints players were feeling. Gutted about the mistake made for your last try with it being a pass that didn't need throwing, but that was some game to watch.

Obviously I'm not saying Harry Smith = Kevin Sinfield, but his kicking in the 2nd half reminded me of the Grand Final semi vs Leeds in Wane's first season where we had the better team on paper, but couldn't deal with bringing the ball out from our 20 on every set.

It probably stood out a lot more because whilst we've had a decent turnover in the halves in the last 10 years or so (some very good, some not so good), very few of them really had the long range kicking game that can take the pressure off when the opposition is on top, as you clearly were for the opening period of the second half. Really promising that he can do that in his early 20s, hopefully for us and England he can really kick on from here.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Tue May 10, 2022 9:09 am  

That’s going to be the style of halfback Harry Smith will ultimately aiming to become. He’s a bit quicker, so he can add a bit more threat running the ball or supporting the ball but his career will live or die by his ability to move us around the field with his kicking game and his organisation skills. He could be absolutely vital for us longer term as the young pack develops and becomes more dominant and he’ll allow you to always look for a running halfback partner and they’re easier to come by.