Re: So who... : Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:00 am  

[Gareth] wrote:

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I have read NOWHERE that this group wish to get everybody onboard. I think you ought to give yourself a shake and get the twist out of your knickers... The group don't have to ask anybody anything, and you don't have to join in... Your attitude comes across as "I don't like, therefore they must be wrong"

Once again, i am in no way connected to the group.

[Pemps]

Re: So who... : Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:01 am  

I differ from you Gareth. I love an atmosphere at games and I'd bet that the majority would rather watch a game with the atmosphere of derby day than the atmosphere of a quins v catalan match.

I've helped the Brigantes/Ultras with a few things in the past and put some suggestions to Jukesay about a few things too. Overall I'm happy with what they do but unfortunately they will attract some nobs which will give them a bad name. Recent history is littered with isolated incidents which have given opposition fans the ammunition to have a pop at all fans.

Wire fans baiting Wigan fans at the Catalan v Wigan semi final
Wigan fan pushing a girl over at Leeds resulting in a broken arm/wrist
Leigh fans throwing bottles onto the pitch in a pre-season friendly v Wigan
Some Wire morons, who may not have even been at the game, attacking a Wiganer on his way to the train station

There are many more incidents but it doesn't mean they're all idiots.

With regards to them thinking they're better fans. I'd put that down to other peoples insecurities rather than a superiority complex from the Ultras. Except of course Rogues Gallery. He probably is a better fan than most, but then he's had a lot more time to practise.

I don't have a problem with a drum in moderation, but then I am 60 yards away from it.

Re: So who... : Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:12 am  

Your always never going to please every one, long before the Brigantes where formed there was always a little close to the bone songs going round depending on who we were playing and like wise the away fans gave it back, so lets not get to thinking that this has only started in the past couple of seasons, back in the good old days at Central Park there was nothing better than the atmosphere of singing for a full 80 mins, and there was a drum there as im sure Binder had it,

as stated there is always going to be the odd idiot who takes it too far but as long as there dealt with either at the time if possible or as soon as possible .

Re: So who... : Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:17 am  

Pemps wrote:

I differ from you Gareth. I love an atmosphere at games and I'd bet that the majority would rather watch a game with the atmosphere of derby day than the atmosphere of a quins v catalan match.

I've helped the Brigantes/Ultras with a few things in the past and put some suggestions to Jukesay about a few things too. Overall I'm happy with what they do but unfortunately they will attract some nobs which will give them a bad name. Recent history is littered with isolated incidents which have given opposition fans the ammunition to have a pop at all fans.

Wire fans baiting Wigan fans at the Catalan v Wigan semi final
Wigan fan pushing a girl over at Leeds resulting in a broken arm/wrist
Leigh fans throwing bottles onto the pitch in a pre-season friendly v Wigan
Some Wire morons, who may not have even been at the game, attacking a Wiganer on his way to the train station

There are many more incidents but it doesn't mean they're all idiots.

With regards to them thinking they're better fans. I'd put that down to other peoples insecurities rather than a superiority complex from the Ultras. Except of course Rogues Gallery. He probably is a better fan than most, but then he's had a lot more time to practise.

I don't have a problem with a drum in moderation, but then I am 60 yards away from it.

i think you know me well enough to know that i have not problem with a loud atmosphere at games (the drummer in the south stand needs a few music lesson tho). indeed, i dont remember half the games ive been to due the enjoyment of the ocassion and a few too many sherberts...

the point im making is that not EVERYONE will be on board with what they are trying to do and they should expect to recieve some comment/criticism.

RL is a family sport and accomdation needs to be made for ALL fans, whatever they point of view.

Inflicting noise on people is always going to draw conflict, i should know given the loudness of the tools who live either side of me

Re: So who... : Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:40 pm  

wigan pie man wrote:

who drink cider and frequent the back of the south stand.........now they will probably tag along with the Brigantes and give them a bad name.

Not quite as I would have written it lol (infact in round aboutr way could be me..... ish) but I understand your point about attracting the wrong folk shall we say and agree THIS is the issue and this always will be the issue

However, the true adults and those with a big of nogging will ensure these people are told whats for, not to single them out but to ensure they calm down and grow up and I really wish people woukld accept that

Re: So who... : Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:21 pm  

We had idiot fans long before the Brigantes were even thought of so blaming them for it now is just a kop out. We will always have the odd idiot here and there and just because they choose to hide behind the Brigantes shouldnt blind people from the facts that the Brigantes dont encourage this sort of thing.

The brigantes have helped to enhance the matchday experience for me and i have also noticed a lot of the players have mentioned the atmosphere a lot more since they started this group.

It would be a shame if their good work is tarnished by people jumping to the wrong conclusions.

Re: So who... : Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:34 pm  

Jimmy Birts Lives On wrote:

One or two have had their feathers ruffled with an increase in the Brigantes popularity whilst others (including a Mod on here) have clashed with members in the past and have had their arses handed to them on a plate over certain issues so they have decided to weigh in too. All good fun. It'll still be the Ultras Brigantes at the end of the season.

I don't really have an opinion on the brigrantes, but that is one rubbish attitude you've shown right there.

[Pemps]

Re: So who... : Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:53 pm  

random_dav wrote:

was the nobhead(s) who decided to spray 'S2' with whatever in the toilets on the wall in the east stand? Something to do with the 'Brigantes' I persume? Can I just ask why?

Re: So who... : Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:03 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

This is the problem with giving yourself a daft moniker and logos with skulls on and using the word "ultra".

You don't need any of the above to collect for flags and sing songs. There was talk of a similar "ultras" group on the Saints forums that got shot down and there have been loads of new flags funded and made anyway. The general consensus was that it would be divisive, with a "normal fans" and "ultras" segregation that is unhelpful and unnecessary.

As for wearing scarves over faces, good grief. Where's that "roll eyes" smiley.

You're all Wigan fans under one banner - all this ultra, brigantes, S2 etc is a bit cringeworthy and is always likely to attract unsavoury behaviour.

What he said.

The names 'Brigantes' and 'Ultras' are both childish and potentially provocative IMO. Why can't you just be Wigan fans? The fact that these groups were created in response to fans of other clubs winding you up about not singing, making enough noise or leaving early just goes to show how much these fans have succeeded in getting to you. Do you think the same opposition fans are going to react any differently?

The danger is that in bringing this kind of gang mentality into RL (however well-intentioned), we will see other groups start up that are covers for hooligan elements. Clearly lots of other Wigan fans are uneasy about the message these gangs send out - 'we have the hardest fans' 'you lot are all soft compared to us ultras' etc. Even if the group wasn't directly responsible for graffiti it is evidence that the wrong message is being sent out to some of the more impressionable young fans. And going around posting stickers in the ground of another SL club is just further provocation and incitement. Carry on doing these things and it won't be long before the club is forced to ban the group. It has already been proven that you can't control what is done in the group's name.

Better to go on with the flags without the silly names which seem to be attracting idiots from within the club, and risks inspiring idiots at other clubs to start their own gangs with silly names. It's a slippery slope IMO.

Re: So who... : Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:34 pm  

Exeter Rhino wrote:

What he said.

The names 'Brigantes' and 'Ultras' are both childish and potentially provocative IMO. Why can't you just be Wigan fans? The fact that these groups were created in response to fans of other clubs winding you up about not singing, making enough noise or leaving early just goes to show how much these fans have succeeded in getting to you. Do you think the same opposition fans are going to react any differently?

The danger is that in bringing this kind of gang mentality into RL (however well-intentioned), we will see other groups start up that are covers for hooligan elements. Clearly lots of other Wigan fans are uneasy about the message these gangs send out - 'we have the hardest fans' 'you lot are all soft compared to us ultras' etc. Even if the group wasn't directly responsible for graffiti it is evidence that the wrong message is being sent out to some of the more impressionable young fans. And going around posting stickers in the ground of another SL club is just further provocation and incitement. Carry on doing these things and it won't be long before the club is forced to ban the group. It has already been proven that you can't control what is done in the group's name.

Better to go on with the flags without the silly names which seem to be attracting idiots from within the club, and risks inspiring idiots at other clubs to start their own gangs with silly names. It's a slippery slope IMO.

As someone who has been asking questions about the use of the name ultras and raising a few issues with those involved, I have to say that your post is nonsense.