Re: Why Wigan let Leeds score more points than them...... : Sun May 30, 2010 10:49 am  

Bridger wrote:

Pop quiz:
Who's the most penalised team in Superleague?

Teams don't rip us open, or roll over us down the middle. If they score against us, it's because we give them easy metres and back to back sets. It's getting progressively worse as the season has gone on and it needs stamping out asap.

Saints, narrowly followed by Wigan, with most of the penalties being technical infringements such as lying on or offside. So while you are giving metres away, you're testing the referee better than most sides. I'd rather have a slower ruck when defending for the whole game and give away a few penalties, than I would no penalties and a quicker PTB throughout the game. One of the reasons Wigan are playing so well is their control of the ruck, giving your defence more time to rest and reset. The high penalty count is a consequence of this, but looking at your position in the table, surely it's worth it?

Re: Why Wigan let Leeds score more points than them...... : Sun May 30, 2010 11:23 am  

Garrincha's Dog wrote:

I think the OP has it right.
You just gave away too many penalties especially offside at the play the ball and reefing the ball out.

Bentham had a great game today.

If penalising 2 off the ball challenges after not penalising the 1st two! Sin Binning a commited challenge but not dealing with a kick to the head or a high shot that saved a try!

Then yes had a stormer.

Re: Why Wigan let Leeds score more points than them...... : Sun May 30, 2010 11:36 am  

Ian Roberts Closet wrote:

If penalising 2 off the ball challenges after not penalising the 1st two! Sin Binning a commited challenge but not dealing with a kick to the head or a high shot that saved a try!

Then yes had a stormer.

I thought that he was 'reasonably' committed but he lifted his arm as he went through with the challenge. This for me was why he got binned.

Re: Why Wigan let Leeds score more points than them...... : Sun May 30, 2010 12:36 pm  

Jamie Peacocks determination to get to Sam was massive. He forced Sam to the side and a rushed kick that hit McIlorum which gave Leeds the ball. HAd Peacock not done that the ball would have been deep in Leeds half and Wigan would be inthe semi finals. The irony is accidental offiside. had that been normal offside it would have been a pen and Leeds would have gone for goal putting the match into extra time.

Re: Why Wigan let Leeds score more points than them...... : Sun May 30, 2010 6:35 pm  

Saint #1 wrote:

Saints, narrowly followed by Wigan, with most of the penalties being technical infringements such as lying on or offside. So while you are giving metres away, you're testing the referee better than most sides. I'd rather have a slower ruck when defending for the whole game and give away a few penalties, than I would no penalties and a quicker PTB throughout the game. One of the reasons Wigan are playing so well is their control of the ruck, giving your defence more time to rest and reset. The high penalty count is a consequence of this, but looking at your position in the table, surely it's worth it?

It's Wigan, followed by Huddersfield.

The control of 'the ruck' is a myth. Wigan aren't holding down the player longer than everybody else (with a few exceptions - see yesterday's game). What our players actually do is slow down the tackle process by getting two or three players to wrap up the ball and keep the ball carrier off the deck, so that our line is effectively set before the tackle is completed.

It may look like it's worth it but we've got progressively worse at giving away penalties as the season progresses and it is one or two players in particular.

Re: Why Wigan let Leeds score more points than them...... : Sun May 30, 2010 6:54 pm  

Bridger wrote:

It's Wigan, followed by Huddersfield.

The control of 'the ruck' is a myth. Wigan aren't holding down the player longer than everybody else (with a few exceptions - see yesterday's game). What our players actually do is slow down the tackle process by getting two or three players to wrap up the ball and keep the ball carrier off the deck, so that our line is effectively set before the tackle is completed.

Correct. We slow the tackle down not the PTB.

It may look like it's worth it but we've got progressively worse at giving away penalties as the season progresses and it is one or two players in particular.

I think you are being harsh. I do not think we have got progressively worse. Yesterday was just an error strewn game it horrendous conditions against the current champions which we had the better of however we did not convert it into a win.

The irony is had we played Leeds in the same conditions 12 months ago the weather would have suited us more and our off the cuff brain dead rugby. We could not get our attacking moves going due to the poor weather which played into the Rhino's hands.

We have improved beyond what anybody could expected. We have a fantastic chance of making the GF if we finish top. We are as good as anybody in this league. We need to kick on from this and ensure we finish top to give us the best chance of getting to old trafford.

Re: Why Wigan lost...... : Mon May 31, 2010 8:22 am  

Wandering Warrior wrote:

We lost because the couple of times we had chances to throw it wide and get a try but we made wrong decisions for example the one where tommy did a forward pass to Sam, if we had thrown it wide it was 3 vs 1. There was one or two other times we messed up by not taking the chance to go wide. We played a 95% perfect game but we didnt stomp Leeds when we had them down. Roberts instead of going with his hands for the late knock on he should of kicking it into open field because there wasnt anybody back for Leeds bar one maybe two players. Then Gleeson missed a vital tackle and that was that.

The conditions had a lot to do with it, but I think that's collectively the worst game I've seen our threequarters have. They've been a major strength all season (hence why we've been scoring so many tries out wide), but all 4 were poor on Sat.

Roberts didn't look fully recovered from his injury, so perhaps had some excuse (or alternatively perhaps shouldn't have played). Looked the most threatening of the 4, though.

Gleeson was poor; some dreadful passes early on in our exit sets, and of course that missed tackle.

Carmont bombed two decent scoring chances that normally he'd have snapped up.

Pryce; the best even his fans can find is one routine clear up of a grubber on his line.

Re: Why Wigan let Leeds score more points than them...... : Mon May 31, 2010 10:43 am  

Why Wigan let Leeds score more points than them? One missed tackle.

Can talk about all the penalties we gave away all day long, but if Martin Gleeson had made the tackle on Lee Smith, we could be awaiting the prospect of a Challenge Cup semi final.

Re: Why Wigan let Leeds score more points than them...... : Mon May 31, 2010 11:00 am  

Warrior-Till-I-Die wrote:

Why Wigan let Leeds score more points than them? One missed tackle.

Can talk about all the penalties we gave away all day long, but if Martin Gleeson had made the tackle on Lee Smith, we could be awaiting the prospect of a Challenge Cup semi final.

Still think they would have scored on that set somewhere. Our last chance was on the third tackle when Roberts made a play at the ball if he hadn't who's to say the Leeds players wouldn't have fumbled the ball, it wasn't the best pass. Even if he had caught it he was covered (that was 4th tackle), our players were set for the last two. Just rotten luck.

Re: Why Wigan lost...... : Mon May 31, 2010 3:28 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

After watching it again on sky+ I agree.

Then there was Paul Prescotts stupid penalty five minutes from time after Sams great kick, and then Sams poor kick that gave Leeds the last bit of field position.

It's called professionalism, and we need to do something about it.

This was the turning point for sure. All went west after Prescott stupidly held the player on if he was tired then you got to look at the subs we had only one prop a hooker and two second rowers, one of which played about 14 mins 10 of which was in the sin bin and the other wasted time getting stripped.

Bad selection!