: Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:59 pm  

wigan pie man wrote:

how does match fitness for boxing and rugby compare to match fitness for other sports?
football? cricket ? snooker ? darts

If you are ever to put together a conditioning routine you have to break each sport down to it bare bones and analyse every movement and physical demand.

It is impossible to compare match fitness for different sports as match fitness is sports specific.

In simple terms rugby league is a power endurance sport.
football for example a more aerobic dominant sport still requiring power.

Sport specificity and individual players actions and style within the game is the key difference between sports.

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:00 pm  

Sharpy_4a wrote:

I guess thats a good point, i never really thought of type 1, type 2 fibers being invloved in aerobic fitness.

I guess thats why they say cant make a sprinter, that you are born one!

Exactly you can have the best training in the world but if you lack the genetic gifts you are only going to get as fast as your limitations allow regardless of how hard or well you train.

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:02 pm  

jonh wrote:

Sorry Brett you are wrong, you can never exactly simulate the demands of a game, you will get close and we get closer every year as research progresses but you will never nail it, it is what makes training training and playing playing.

in that case then , one day we will get to the stage where you can get match fit in a gym.

all it takes is a few simulators to hit the body as if its being tackled, and other similar machines.

they said we would never make a nuclear weapon at one time as well.

as science progresses, so does progress.........or summat.

only thing i can think of against my own theory is that as we progress, the game will progress (as its been doing) and players will get fitter and need to be more match fit to cope, thereby always keeping one step in front of scientific advances.

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:03 pm  

jonh wrote:

Sorry Brett you are wrong, you can never exactly simulate the demands of a game, you will get close and we get closer every year as research progresses but you will never nail it, it is what makes training training and playing playing.

Your body doesn't know you are playing RL.


If you simulate everything then you will become "match fit".


However, as I have said, given it's much easier to get 95% there and finish the last 5% off by actually playing the game, why would you?

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:05 pm  

how does match fitness for boxing and rugby compare to match fitness for other sports?
football? cricket ? snooker ? darts

It doesnt carry over very well from sport to sport, when lance armstrong completed the new york marathon, he said it was the hardest thing he had ever done!

[Pemps]

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:08 pm  

wigan pie man wrote:

how does match fitness for boxing and rugby compare to match fitness for other sports?
football? cricket ? snooker ? darts

Not really sports are they. More a pastime along with dominos and fishing.

Re: Match Fitness : Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:09 pm  

jonh wrote:

Fit is a very general word and usually when talking about sports you have to reffer to sports specific fitness.

If we take a season from the day after the game of the final match of the previous season the training progresses in a periodized way, ie specific phases of training related to the specific times of year.

Straight after the final game of the previous season the players should be allowed a period of active recovery, ie rest with a few active sessions thrown in ie a few games of basket ball or other sporting events that maintain, but refresh the body, nothing intense at all. You will then enter after this phase the phase commonly know as preseason, this is where the foundations are laid for the sports specific fitness ie this is where the players in general term get "fit". It is where they work on the aerobic fitness and size in the gym, as the weeks pass the phases become more specific to the sport. Rugby League is an anaerobic intermittent power endurance sport with periods of active recovery. In simple terms rugby league is a sport requiring high intensity power bursts for short periods ie when the ball is taken up or when you are performing a tackle, the most part is spent activley recovering ie moving forward or back in the defensive line but this active recovery can also be a transition phase, ie supporting a run low intensity but then getting the offload and taking the ball forward it suddenly becomes high intensity. Players have to be conditioned to deal with the specific fitness demands of the sport.

As the preseason continues training becomes more and more specific, building on the general foundations adding strenght and converting this to power, at the end of the preseason the team should be being conditioned with high intensity power training with a view to maitaining this throughout the season twinging it to peak at times dictated by the coach throughout the season. All drills should challenge the systems used in a game the closer to the start of the playing season you get, while you can attempt to replicate and manipulate drills to be sports specific, in simple terms the most sport specific training is to play the game which is where the term match fit comes in, as you can never copy the exact demands of the sport in a training environment.

Building intensity and specificity is the key, the above is a very basic model and there are several more relevant models than this but it is the simplest to explain the difference between being fit and being sports specific or match fit.

Prior to anyone saying anything yes i will change my sig to officially the most boaring poster on here.

You ever kisssed a Girl son?

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:15 pm  

Pemps wrote:

Not really sports are they. More a pastime along with dominos and fishing.

they both come on sky SPORTS......along with fishing, but not dominoes.

i do agree somewhat Pemps....there are some borderline sports imo...the above, curling, golf, speed walking, normal walking .......question is..where do you draw the line between sport and pastime?

buts thats maybe for another thread (close season?).

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:22 pm  

jonh wrote:

Exactly you can have the best training in the world but if you lack the genetic gifts you are only going to get as fast as your limitations allow regardless of how hard or well you train.

left you a PM jonh.

Re: Match Fitness : Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:24 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

You ever kisssed a Girl son?

Are you trying to say that there's another activity other than RL that involves a low intensity build up followed by periods of intermittent endurance and recovery, rapidly developing into high intensity sessions until the participant peaks just when it matters?