But it's been like this FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS FOR FACKS SAKE !!. You all talk about it like we used to be any good on the International arena. We were sh[iit[/i before the advent of Super League.

And XBrettKennyX - i don't think i'm watching second grade rugby and i don't give a flying one what you think of it - you're obviously not happy about the game so stuff off and watch another sport you whinging douchebag.

Exactly

I can recommend balley dancing?

Quality

Losing by 8 points with 4 or 5 first team players missing is embarrassing> What was your performance then??







The sour grapes on this board is unbelievable, just becuase Wigan are not winning everything every year, and because 3/4s of the England team is not made up of Wigan players you and the rest of the bitter "the world hates the Cherry & Shites" brigade have to blame British RL as a whole. And it precisely this attitude thats holding you back. You need to stop living in the past and move on.

really hope you're not letting those consolation tries at the end make you think it was an 8 point game.
you've made some good points, dont ruin it by claiming leeds were only a converted try and a penalty off manly.

Well they were on the scoreboard, and thats the stat that counts. I'm not saying Leeds deserved to win and Manly weren't top class on the night, but to say Leeds were embarrassed is way off the mark IMO.

embarrassed? some might say that.
for me leeds were dragged around the field at points and were caught chasing shadows.
rather than have a dig at leeds for that, id rather ask you to take a look at super league.
leeds are officially (and in my opinion) the best team in the country and they didnt come close to manly in many areas. im really worried that we'll all forget just how superior the NRL is and come the 4 nations we and the french will get smashed.

ps hope you do saints in cup

I've been thinking about this, and you have to remember this same Manly team battered a (arguably) all-time great Melbourne side 40-0 in the NRL GF. Manly are far and away the best team in world rugby (either code IMO) Most other teams would have taken a far bigger beating and to lose by 8 points isn't anything to be ashamed of.

With regard the 4-nations as long as we're competitive and we blood a few young players a chance I'll be happy, and I know we've said it year after year but I expect big things from England within 2 years.

Oh, and I'd rather we beat Saints next week than in the cup.

we're so far behind i think the best immediate option is to try and get some of our younger players over to australia. tansey at sydney for example.

Tonight was simply about how poor Wigan are.

Watching the Bronco's Cowboys game today both teams had bags of "kids" on debut who would walk into the Wigan side, and much of the Leeds side.

Brett you can talk cod sheeite all you want but the standard to coaching in the SL is garbage, Leeds are worthy of a spot in the NRL as are Saints, everyone else is miles behind and its not down to the playing rosta.

Different geography. Different market.

Thanks for the insult.

As can you. The difference being that my spelling and grammar isn't that of a 7 year old.