: Sun Feb 08, 2009 7:56 pm  

Charlie Seeling wrote:

Is he ready? He could be better but every player could and let's be honest the competition in the Wgan team is not red hot.

No, if Nobnle persists in playing the way he has since he came to the club then ainscough offers the most value of any winger becuse the one area he excels is scooting.

So would you have him & Richards on the wings? I havent seen much of Ainscough, but its an interesting view.

Charlie Seeling wrote:

Fact

To the point it can be recovered or has it gone beyond that. What is the reason for his loss? Team selection, the way he manages?

: Sun Feb 08, 2009 7:58 pm  

carmont is king wrote:

I must say i agree with what you say,and the bit about something "going on",seems to be endorsed by what Nobby said in the radio interview he did after the game,"players having their own agenda"or words to that effect.
I have always had a lot of respect for Noble,you don't win what he has unless you know something about the game,but he seemed so dispirited in his interview,my impression was that he was wondering if he has had enough. In past seasons after bad results he has come out very positive about what needed to be done,I didn't get that impression this time.

I recall last season Noble referring to "some not football related issues".

If there are things "going on" either he gets a grip on them as coach or he should admit he's lost the dressing room. He then either gets IL's support for disciplinary action and a major clear-out in due course or he resigns. Poor performances are one thing but the shambles today and the apparent behind the scenes turmoil at the club are unacceptable.

: Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:00 pm  

Deano G wrote:

I recall last season Noble referring to "some not football related issues".

If there are things "going on" either he gets a grip on them as coach or he should admit he's lost the dressing room. He then either gets IL's support for disciplinary action and a major clear-out in due course or he resigns. Poor performances are one thing but the shambles today and the apparent behind the scenes turmoil at the club are unacceptable.

I suspect he would resign because I don't think IL would be interesting in D&G action as it may cost him £££.

: Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:01 pm  

AJ wrote:

I suspect he would resign because I don't think IL would be interesting in D&G action as it may cost him £££.

I suspect you are right.

: Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:05 pm  

AJ wrote:

So would you have him & Richards on the wings? I havent seen much of Ainscough, but its an interesting view.



To the point it can be recovered or has it gone beyond that. What is the reason for his loss? Team selection, the way he manages?

Dull, boring training methods. A lack of belief in what Noble tells them as regards tactics. As an example. The very annoying move forward a yard then hold defence is purely down to Noble. Trent suggested changing it in training last year and he got abuse in front of the other players foir doing so. He also offered to work on some moves/game plans with Noble and go told thanks but no thanks. The value of his word/treatment of players.

: Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:05 pm  

Just to add IL is not like by the players either.

: Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:07 pm  

Charlie Seeling wrote:

Just to add IL is not like by the players either.

That was clearly evident after his daft criticism of Trent Barrett. That suggested to me he knew nothing about rugby league.

Trent Barrett was our attack, our kicking game, everything. Any fan that didn't know this before I hope will have learned so after we were clueless in attack today.

: Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:08 pm  

Charlie Seeling wrote:

Dull, boring training methods. A lack of belief in what Noble tells them as regards tactics. As an example. The very annoying move forward a yard then hold defence is purely down to Noble. Trent suggested changing it in training last year and he got abuse in front of the other players foir doing so. He also offered to work on some moves/game plans with Noble and go told thanks but no thanks. The value of his word/treatment of players.

Interesting, but why are the other coaching staff not helping in this regard.

Charlie Seeling wrote:

Just to add IL is not like by the players either.

Does this go back to the fans forum when he hung them out to dry?

: Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:08 pm  

AJ wrote:

So would you have him & Richards on the wings? I havent seen much of Ainscough, but its an interesting view.

At this stage I would play Ainscough yes.

He is far from perfect. Needs knocking down a peg or two for example.

However, he is very muscular and scooting / hard yards he is better than anybody in the backs that we currently play.

: Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:10 pm  

AJ wrote:

Interesting, but why are the other coaching staff not helping in this regard.



Does this go back to the fans forum when he hung them out to dry?

Bar Wane, the other coaches are Nobby's friends and none speak up.

the forum in part but much more. His attitude especially penny pinching.