: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:23 pm  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

We are not in the same league as Saints and Leeds just yet. But we still finished 3rd and in 08 came a damn sight closer to beating Leeds that we did in 07.

We've come along way under Nobby.

But how much further do you think nobby can take us? That's the question. For me, we showed nothing last year and have started this in the same vein. Of course, a nice easy victory tonight would help!

: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:26 pm  

This is why we need to give Nobby another season in charge, we've come along way, lets see what happens this season.

When I left the JJB in the snow last Sun I was fed up with another terrible display by the boys in cherry and white.
Was also annoyed at Nobby for his so predictable 'subs by the clock' not the game and how some gluring errors weren't fixed.

But then I realised it's match day one. There's always a bigger picture. Let's see how the season unfolds.

: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:30 pm  

How far Nobby can take us is yet to be seen, I think a review at the end of the season would be justified.

Wigan lack consissancy. that's my area of concern. Need to have a winning mentality installed into the players, I really believe Nobby is working towards that.

I half expect a 26-6 W to Hull tonight, but yet again Wig could put 30 points past them, thats my point.

But by playoffs, (maybe even with another signing or two) we'll be there or there abouts.

: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:39 pm  

jonh wrote:

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Excellent post.

Noble has taken us as far as he can IMO. He's stabilised us and brought together what is IMO a good set of players but he’s taken them as far as he can. I can’t see us getting to that next level with him.

What we need now is someone who will come in work with the good squad that we have and create;

1-A winning mentality/culture in the club- The kind of culture where you have to pull your weight as it's demanded of you. The type of culture Wigan used to have where they set the highest possible standards in every area. It’s the type of culture UTD have at the moment where players are forced to track back, work hard and new players are forced to adopt up the UTD philosophy.

2-He has to revolutionise our back division. Bring in a specialist coach someone like Johns or Lam who will get us firing on all cylinders. We’ve got the talent here Richards is a dam good finisher as is Roberts, Smith Holds the record for NRL assists for God sake. You wouldn’t know it tho under the system Noble plays. Goulding needs someone who will show him how to convert his potential talent into actual SL talent same with Tomkins. Like I’ve said the foundations are there but we need some to move it forward.

3-It sort of links into culture but we need a new coach to come in and update our training methods. As someone said in another topic gone are the days when players like Inga are brought into the side and are forced to work hard on their fitness. We got some of the best facilities in RL but were not the fittest team in SL? Why not? Let’s get someone in who can bring in new training systems and again raise the bar again as the likes of Monie and Lowe did.

4-Lastly we need a new coach who will develop our young talent. One of the good points of Andersson at Saints was the progression their juniors made under him. We need a coach that isn’t over obsessed on size. Lets see our young talent develop some skills as well as their physical attributes.

It’s not to much to ask for Wigan RL is it?

: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:46 pm  

I think we need to give Nobby a year to produce what we all desire, so far his movements have really bettered Wigan. For that I believe he is still worth keeping, I'd review it at the end of the season.

[Pemps]

: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:48 pm  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

I think we need to give Nobby a year to produce what we all desire, so far his movements have really bettered Wigan. For that I believe he is still worth keeping, I'd review it at the end of the season.

So we'll have waited 3 1/2 years to see some good rugby?

: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:55 pm  

No we've seen a rock bottom team become the 3rd best maybe 2nd or 1st.

Lets just go and get another coach and start from stratch instead. Maybe you can suggest another unrealistic candidate. Rather than stick with someone who has the success of Noble.

: Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:35 pm  

we need john monie

[Pemps]

: Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:43 pm  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

No we've seen a rock bottom team become the 3rd best maybe 2nd or 1st.

We were lucky to get 4th last year. If Warrington had had a half decent finish to the season we'd have ended up 5th. We actually should have got 3rd but for a few terrible results. We've got a coach who prides himself on defensive RL, not on attacking RL and we still finished on a minus for points.

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

Lets just go and get another coach and start from stratch instead. Maybe you can suggest another unrealistic candidate. Rather than stick with someone who has the success of Noble.

I said last season that "I'm happy to be playing dull rugby as long as we're winning, for the time being". At that point we were winning but we were playing incredibly boring rugby. Last season, for me, was the worst as a Wigan fan. I was struggling to stay interested in the game and found myself chatting instead of watching. I said I'd renew my season ticket this year and see how we go. I know we're only one game in to the season but if we continue like this I'm going to be bored again. It's Nobby's coaching that's doing this, not the players, not IL, not the fans.

I go to the rugby to be entertained, to have a good enjoyable night. I don't want to go down the route of the thread about loyal fans but if this continues I'll lose interest very rapidly. That being said, I'm not a man of my word and I can see me watching wigan out for the foreseeable future no matter how we're playing

: Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:49 pm  

Right Nobby as just left...WHO will take over ???

If IL is only willing to pay upto 70k for a player would he break the bank to buy out a realistic coaches contract ?