: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:20 am  

Lockers has never impressed me as a captain, He is a excellent rugby player, but to me he has no leadership qualitys. Like farrell,edwards,bell.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:02 am  

Is this thread going to come back everytime we lose.

There are players far more responsible that Lockers.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:23 am  

wickedchef123 wrote:

Lockers has never impressed me as a captain, He is a excellent rugby player, but to me he has no leadership qualitys. Like farrell,edwards,bell.

get real he had a good game yesterday what do you want the guy to do, he hits hard in defence he is now shouting at the team and leading the team, everytime we lose its lockers foult have a look round the team and have a look for someone else to pick on, hes playin great, just an easy target i suppose

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:28 am  

Legend That Sorts It wrote:

get real he had a good game yesterday what do you want the guy to do, he hits hard in defence he is now shouting at the team and leading the team, everytime we lose its lockers foult have a look round the team and have a look for someone else to pick on, hes playin great, just an easy target i suppose

I wouldn't go that far, yes he works his socks off in defence but he made some crucial errors in attack last night. He has played well up until last night though, and for some people to use Locky as a scapegoat is laughable.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:37 am  

Not again!

I wish people would stop Lockers bashing and concentrate on the real problems at the club. These include, in no particular order:-

1. Poor coaching

2. Lack of fitness and conditioning

3. "Some might not be football related issues", to quote BN affecting the sqaud. There really do appear to be major behind the scenes/morale type issues.

4. Poor quality signings and failure to sign players to fill key positions

5. Failure to develop youth talent

6. The culture/ethos of the club now seems to be that second best is good enough.

IL needs to get a grip on things, and fast.

The club has needed a top to bottom clear out for years. Coaching staff, backroom staff and the majority of players need to be changed as quickly as possible.

People keep talking about the need for stability or getting diverted into meaningless sideshows like this ridiculous Lockers bashing when they should be asking why the club is failing in so many areas and why nothing is being done about it.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:39 am  

Mini Rogue wrote:

I wouldn't go that far, yes he works his socks off in defence but he made some crucial errors in attack last night. He has played well up until last night though, and for some people to use Locky as a scapegoat is laughable.

he made one bad kick, but he was unlucky in the last 5 minutes where he spun in the tackle and went to give the ball to roberts but roberts moved as lockers passed if that pass came off wigan had an overlap, but when your down thats the way your luck goes

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:41 am  

Deano G wrote:

"Some might not be football related issues", to quote BN affecting the sqaud. There really do appear to be major behind the scenes/morale type issues.

If this is true, they need to be made public and the issues dealt with. I am sick to death of off field player issues affecting us.

Deano G wrote:

The club has needed a top to bottom clear out for years. Coaching staff, backroom staff and the majority of players need to be changed as quickly as possible.

It has had one, well may since 2000, but since '06 the squad Millward had has almost gone in its entirity.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:52 am  

wickedchef123 wrote:

Lockers has never impressed me as a captain, He is a excellent rugby player, but to me he has no leadership qualitys. Like farrell,edwards,bell.

But they dont play for Wigan anymore!

Thats the past, this is 2009

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:01 pm  

AJ wrote:

It has had one, well may since 2000, but since '06 the squad Millward had has almost gone in its entirity.

When I said clear out I was hoping that we would replace the players and staff that left with better quality people, not just bring in similar quality people in dribs and drabs.

To me the whole set up needs changing radically, with new coaching and backroom staff and players brought in who will want to live up to the old Wigan ethos. We also need IL to create that desire for excellence which will then feed down through the club as a whole. Whatever Mo's faults may have been he set an agenda when building the club back to greatness in the 80s which was the Wigan were going to be and remain the best. I see no evidence of that ambition or the drive to make it happen at the club at the moment.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:28 pm  

Legend That Sorts It wrote:

he made one bad kick, but he was unlucky in the last 5 minutes where he spun in the tackle and went to give the ball to roberts but roberts moved as lockers passed if that pass came off wigan had an overlap, but when your down thats the way your luck goes

He also dropped the ball twice and gave away three needless penalties. However, up until last night he has been excellent this season.

Odly enough so have Smith and Fielden who also both had poor games last night.