Re: Mick Govin banned for two years for doping. : Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:42 am  

Dico wrote:

I'll tell you what TV boy, you consume a litre of vodka a day and ill take a gram of coke. We'll see who hits the flowers first.

What an absolutely ridiculous statement. You don't know me. You don't know my past and you certainly don't know what I have experienced in my lifetime. Both are as bad as one another but like Jenky says. People aren't getting shot in the streets over one or living in hell where it's being produced.

Re: Mick Govin banned for two years for doping. : Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:18 pm  

But in this context is it our problem as a nation?
To draw it back into this context then I fail to see why Cocaine carries a two year ban. As an illegal substance it should be for the authorities to deal with and shouldn't carry the same weighting as enhancement drugs. Ben cockayne wasnt banned from RL for kicking a blokes head in and imo that carries a far serious moral weighting than sniffing a bit of beak yet one is dealt with by the authorites and one is lumped in with performance enhancing punishments. It just doesn't add up.

Re: Mick Govin banned for two years for doping. : Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:57 pm  

No but one wonders why they (the rioters) ransacked supermarkets and off licences for alcohol then?

I would think that in Govins case the substance was taken recreationally and not as a performance enhancer and in which case should he be banned or counselled?

Re: Mick Govin banned for two years for doping. : Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:48 pm  

I agree with a lot of what Fred says , and It's not just Mick Govin it's a generation of kids who are popping tablets and shovelling carp up their beaks .

These people are not addicts they're just at the age where turning out at weekends the peer pressure of just snort this or just pop this is paet of the norm , they're just using it as a recreational drug .

And as an ex semi pro player I needed a certifacate from the RFL to continue playing as the tabs where on
the banned list .

Since jacking in I've dabbled in all sorts knowingly and otherwise and some where sneaked on me , and the person that passed a joint to me that contained smack got just that .

It needs a board not just from Leigh but all clubs and the RFL to educate young players on not getting roped in by so called friends

Re: Mick Govin banned for two years for doping. : Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:53 pm  

A few people seem to be missing the point here. Cocaine in its most pure form probably won't kill you. What will kill you is the Daz, rat poision, brick dust, Persil or whatever lethal substance it is 80% cut with. I wouldn't touch drugs, but have studies there effects and different forms, and I can't understand why anyone would touch Cocaine. Most takers probably don't realise it, but the high they feel after ingesting the drug won't be anything to do with the narcotic they think they are taking. Its folly to trust any drug dealer - they are in it to make as much money as possible and not to worry about their clients health.

Re: Mick Govin banned for two years for doping. : Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:40 pm  

FredParky wrote:

No but one wonders why they (the rioters) ransacked supermarkets and off licences for alcohol then?

I would think that in Govins case the substance was taken recreationally and not as a performance enhancer and in which case should he be banned or counselled?

Probably both, whether we agree with it or not HMG have decided its an illegal substance, and therefore the RFL are correct in banning anyone found to be using it, for whatever reasons.

Re: Mick Govin banned for two years for doping. : Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:53 pm  

I enjoy a drink, and I smoke. I have NEVER taken drugs, even in the 60's when they were just as available as they are now .... Alcohol and cigarettes are legal, a lot of drugs are not. You can argue all you like about the morals, the fact is, that some substances are illegal, and if you take them and get caught, then you pay the penalty. YES, I have always known the dangers of both alcohol and cigarettes, but I'm still kicking around at 60, so am I worried? If they made alcohol and Fags illegal, then I'd stop using them ....

Re: Mick Govin banned for two years for doping. : Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:00 pm  

Not comparing Keith but Alcohol wrecks far far more lives than Cocaine and has in fact been around for a long long time there has been traces found in Egyptian mummies which is strange as it originates from South America?????
Yet alcohol in excess is seen as being acceptable amongst all strata of society.
And as I write this i'm just about to open my third can of Bud (which these days is my limit as I don't like being out of control) but wouldn't think of snorting a line, or shooting up some H or rolling a joint or popping an E etc..., Why? because one is legal and the others are not.
If you take into account the sportsperson any expert will tell you that none of them are good for the body but again four as above are illegal substances and one is not.
WHY is a completely different argument and users of any substance will argue that theirs is less harmfull than the next, but isn't it important that people know the differences that all substances have on the body so at least they can make an informed choice as the old adage 'JUST SAY NO' has never worked.

Re: Mick Govin banned for two years for doping. : Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:51 pm  

Well Fred reading your posts about cocaine makes me wonder why it is illegal and why cigs and alcohol aren't.

Anyways for what it is worth I really cannot see what buisness it is of mine if people want to indulge in any of them always provided the only person put at risk of the indulgence is the person consuming the particular substance.

Re: Mick Govin banned for two years for doping. : Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:26 am  

If cigarettes or alcohol were 'invented' tomorrow they would almost certainly be made illegal, as many similar (and arguably lesser substances are at present).

However, as they have both become part of our culture (and a major income-generator for the Govt!) it's almost impossible to treat them in the same way as a other drugs.

Whatever you think of the classification of different drugs, Gov knowingly broke the rules and took a banned substance.

FWIW I think the RFL/Sport England are right to ban athletes for use of recreational drugs, partly because of their position as role-models (if Govin and others were at it for so long, why would East/Miners plays think they shouldn't do it?!) and partly because recreational drugs CAN have an impact on your performance on the field, even if only psychological.

Do feel sorry for Govin but he only has himself to blame.