Re: Mick Govin banned for two years for doping. : Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:23 am  

Bartholemew Smythe wrote:

Whino Woy can you substantiate that.............

Just like everyone knew Hock was doing it years before getting caught, same with Govin Im afraid!

The club have stuck by him, when his first sample tested positive he admitted to the charge. That was quite a while ago and he has been around the club since including the final and the celebrations!

On a side note so thats breaking the cap and having a druggie, maybe you will win the grand final to

Re: Mick Govin banned for two years for doping. : Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:46 am  

Ian Roberts Closet wrote:

Just like everyone knew Hock was doing it years before getting caught, same with Govin Im afraid!

The club have stuck by him, when his first sample tested positive he admitted to the charge. That was quite a while ago and he has been around the club since including the final and the celebrations!

On a side note so thats breaking the cap and having a druggie, maybe you will win the grand final to

I thought the same thing yesterday,then i thought 'wow' we'll fit nicely into Sl after all this.

Re: Mick Govin banned for two years for doping. : Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:52 am  

Last words I am going to say about this. Walt the moral high ground is where we should be where drink and drugs are concerned. These two things are the biggest problems in areas of poverty and in the middle classes. I very much doubt that Mick is an adict as he would probably need to spend about £350 a week on the stuff and I don't think he has that much disposable income. I would say that players today drink nowhere near as much as bygone days because the game has changed and fitness is paramount. To keep using the drinking habbits of players from 20 years ago is wrong. I'm not talking about 16 and 17 year old kids being influenced by this I mean the U10s, U12s, U16s teams at the Miners nad at East who have players who look upto Mick as a role model. These are the people that need to be taught the lesson that what he has done is wrong and bad for them, and not just at the clubs there will be kids who come to watch RL that don't play that think he is great. When Terry Newton did away with himself I wrote that the RFL should make sure that this never happens ever again and players caught should not just be cast aside but they must be punished and severly. He should have nothing to do with RL for 12 months and in that time he must pass a coarse run by the RFL which he must take random tests to make sure he isn't using it anymore. The second twelve months he should be made to a second part where he went round to local clubs and hammered home to the kids the horrors that come from drinking and taking drugs. I don't think this should have anything to do with the clubs community dept either. What amazes me about using cocaine these days is that it isn't cocaine. It is anything but and it is riddled with cancer causing chemicals. Just because he pulled on a Leigh shirt and it is only a recreational drug should not cloud anyones judgement. It is wrong and very wrong.

Re: Mick Govin banned for two years for doping. : Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:40 am  

When Govin first went missing from the team, it was stated/rumoured that he had an injury and I thought;here we go again the injury prone thing had struck! Personally i'm bitterly dissappointed that Drugs is the reason he wont be playing. I have always been a great admirer of his play, he is a gifted player and competent goalkicker who is able to play in many positions. The team have performed fantastically this season and players like Ridyard,Ellis,Duffy and Hill have been at the forefront however, when introduced into play Govin has made a signifcant difference to our play and, never more so than the two thrashings handed out to Widnes where he totally changed the direction of play! Its interesting that Mick Nanyn has not figured as much, in Govin's absence!
I obviously dont know Mick Govin however, at twenty six years old he still has time to change his life around, should he want too? My advice would be, get some help Mick change your life around and come back in two years time and help Leigh into Super League! Penky,Hock and Hudson are all examples!

Re: Mick Govin banned for two years for doping. : Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:02 am  

1. Unlike Heroin Cocaine isnt a drug you get physically addicted to, mentally yes in that you feel you need it to have a good time etc..
2. The substance Mick has been banned for isn't Cocaine but a (not 100% correct but saves a longer winded post) substance that is left in the organs of the body (usually the liver) after prolonged Cocaine use/abuse.
3. A low grade Cocaine will leave the body after about 5 days, thats why most sports 'stars' don't get caught, by low grade I mean a lesser percentage mix with the substance used to 'cut' or mix it to make it go farther.
4. There have been no recorded deaths due to Cocaine use whereas Alcohol, tobacco and heroin use causes thousands per year.
5. Do not confuse Cocaine powder use/abuse with crack cocaine they are totally different in the way it's taken and the effect it has on the body.

So those of you out there who smoke or drink more than the recommended units per week/day or at all are in a bigger danger than a Cocaine user, and cost the taxpayer far more in health bills, it's just that one is illegal and the others are not.
In other words you take it you take the chance - but most of us take substances that are more harmfull to the body, and most 'kids' know that - not that Cocaine is a 'kids' drug per se the substance they are taking thinking it's cocaine is usually Amphetamine (speed)- which in it's self can be very harmfull yet is a lesser drug according to The Drugs Act, and is easier and cheaper to manufacture.

Sorry to sermonise but Drugs education was something I was passionate about in my other 'life'

Re: Mick Govin banned for two years for doping. : Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:25 am  

FredParky wrote:

1. Unlike Heroin Cocaine isnt a drug you get physically addicted to, mentally yes in that you feel you need it to have a good time etc..
2. The substance Mick has been banned for isn't Cocaine but a (not 100% correct but saves a longer winded post) substance that is left in the organs of the body (usually the liver) after prolonged Cocaine use/abuse.
3. A low grade Cocaine will leave the body after about 5 days, thats why most sports 'stars' don't get caught, by low grade I mean a lesser percentage mix with the substance used to 'cut' or mix it to make it go farther.
4. There have been no recorded deaths due to Cocaine use whereas Alcohol, tobacco and heroin use causes thousands per year.5. Do not confuse Cocaine powder use/abuse with crack cocaine they are totally different in the way it's taken and the effect it has on the body.

So those of you out there who smoke or drink more than the recommended units per week/day or at all are in a bigger danger than a Cocaine user, and cost the taxpayer far more in health bills, it's just that one is illegal and the others are not.
In other words you take it you take the chance - but most of us take substances that are more harmfull to the body, and most 'kids' know that - not that Cocaine is a 'kids' drug per se the substance they are taking thinking it's cocaine is usually Amphetamine (speed)- which in it's self can be very harmfull yet is a lesser drug according to The Drugs Act, and is easier and cheaper to manufacture.

Sorry to sermonise but Drugs education was something I was passionate about in my other 'life'

I agree! Which is why Im so supresed that Mr Moore hasnt been condemmed by the RL community more than he has!

Re: Mick Govin banned for two years for doping. : Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:34 am  

Disappointed about the news about Govin to say the least...

Rhino Roy wrote:

whats more suprising is how long he has been getting away with it

No what's surprising is how rife it is in the sport, and yet so few get pulled for it.

Re: Mick Govin banned for two years for doping. : Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:37 am  

j.c wrote:

I thought the same thing yesterday,then i thought 'wow' we'll fit nicely into Sl after all this.

Get a few pished up players to beat their wives/abuse their pets and we may get an NRL license.

Re: Mick Govin banned for two years for doping. : Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:34 pm  

Silly , silly billy Some people can re-start their careers after cases like this , but you'll never remove that dent that something like this leaves behind . Waste of raw RL talent , been unlucky with injuries , thought this spell bk with the club would be different

Re: Mick Govin banned for two years for doping. : Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:36 pm  

I beg to differ about no recorded deaths. There have been many but have been seen as heart failure. One of the effects of cocaine is to increase the heart rate thus causing the old ticker to age more rapidly. Many autopsies have shown that people who have used cocaine and speed for a long time have had the heart of a person some 20 to 30 years older than themselves. Also increased blood preasure comes with prolonged use of the drugs. Reading an article the other day on tinternet the increase in some stomach cancers is being attributed to the use of the type of cocaine that is sold today. They were putting it down to the cutting and cleaning agents used before it goes on the streets.