Death of the half back : Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:11 pm  

This is my first post so go easy.
I was watching the super league show the other day and realised although im a wire fan and i happily used to watch us get hammered on a weekly and guided round the park by the great aussi half back wilson. that i am know falling out of love with the game.
I feel there are no true half backs left in the game. When the did the ball players become replaced by runners? or is this just a result of alot of emphasis being put on tactics to slow the play the ball down meaning with defensive lines being correctly set it is much more difficult to pass through a gap.
Your thoughts please

Re: Death of the half back : Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:20 pm  

Agree with you about the lack of quality ball players in today's game.

Luckily one the best in the business wears our number 6 jersey. So there are exceptions, although not too many in Super League I have to say.

In the NRL see the likes of Thurston, Scott Prince and Benji Marshall (who is also a magnificent ball runner).

Re: Death of the half back : Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:43 pm  

It's the way the game has move on sadly. Kicking on the last tackle has become tedious and predictable. When a half-back trys a little chip over on the last, it's now deemed to be exciting and original, when only a few years back, it was the norm. Paul Cooke at Hull was proberley the last decent ball handling hb in superleague.

Re: Death of the half back : Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:44 am  

The basic point is a decent one, but the choice of forum is an odd one. We have the one 'true' halfback playing in Super League at the moment, and two lads just behind in Myler and Ratchford who have the potential to grow into classy creative halfbacks or fullbacks.

On the other hand, the team that everyone is wetting themselves about on the other thread, St Helens, have Lomax (can't pass to his right), Hohaia (God knows what he is) and their one promising stand-off sits it out in the stands.

Re: Death of the half back : Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:23 am  

The biggest problem is that the game in general has become obsessed with quick play the balls (the majority of time the ball is not played with the foot) and dummy half scoots. It's easy to make ground that way, so there is little need for crafty half backs and hookers.

Re: Death of the half back : Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:44 am  

I'd say it was more of an evolution of the half back. Focus now seems to be on the team getting the ball to the half back quickly and then them firing a pass for whichever runner he deems is making the best looking run or most likely to get the attack into the second phase.

IMO I prefer to watch halfbacks who have a great passing game, rather than ones who try the spectacular and end up coughing up possession. The game is so fast these days that territorial advantage is the biggest it's ever been.

Re: Death of the half back : Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:08 pm  

TrinityIHC wrote:

I'd say it was more of an evolution of the half back. Focus now seems to be on the team getting the ball to the half back quickly and then them firing a pass for whichever runner he deems is making the best looking run or most likely to get the attack into the second phase.

IMO I prefer to watch halfbacks who have a great passing game, rather than ones who try the spectacular and end up coughing up possession. The game is so fast these days that territorial advantage is the biggest it's ever been.

Running fast is not the evolution of the half back. I think it goes back to junior coaches picking big/fast players over smaller/slower skilled players.

A case in point was our U20s game against Saints yesterday. AS a side Saints had a physical advantage across the board, fortunately, our skill set saw us home.

Re: Death of the half back : Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:10 pm  

From over ten years of experience I can tell you it is due to the lack of quality associated to junior and youth coaching and the mindset of said individuals. Even when part of an aacdemy set-up the expectation seems to be that unless you are a world beater from day one you will be discarded and players drafted in from elsehwere.

Guarantee it will only get worse.

Re: Death of the half back : Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:15 pm  

Lee Briers
Scott Dereu

Benji Marshall
Jonathan Thurston

Best two traditional half backs in both the SL and NRL.

They are there, there may not be many of them, but there are some.

Re: Death of the half back : Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:08 pm  

Halfbacks have evolved, there are good halfbacks in many different forms. Sometimes its just nostalgia when people say they don't make halfbacks like they used to.

Andrew Johns was the best halfback of my lifetime watching RL, and he was hardly a traditional halfback. He was like a loose forward in many ways, doing a lot of tackling, dominating people in defence, when he had the ball close to the line he would hold people off and force his way over through physical strength like someone like Scully would. And of course he had the best kicking game in the world and was a great passer/distributer. But there is no way you would say Johns was a traditional halfback at all.