[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Season debrief, send in your questions : Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:15 am  

10_15_Merchant wrote:

Always seemed like a centre playing SR to me. His one trick now seems to be chasing planned grubber kicks from Williams. Maybe he will play more centre next year, he seems to have the necessary skills. I think Wire would do better with a work-horse (Ben Westwood type) SR who will get involved in the more physical stuff and give a higher tackle count, especially as next year's front rowers are not the most mobile and won't play big minutes.

one thing that peed me off a lot this year, was the usual suspects at right and left second row, not doing enough tackling, mopping up from the middles.

i've mentioned it a couple of times and others have as well, if you look at some of the tries we've conceded more often than not you'll see currie or holmes not even trying to effect a tackle.

thats whats annoyed me more than anything else with the pair of them, thats why i was demanding they be dropped, that isn't a 'play themselves back into form' situation, thats a lack of effort and most definitely a CBA.

Re: Season debrief, send in your questions : Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:40 am  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

one thing that peed me off a lot this year, was the usual suspects at right and left second row, not doing enough tackling, mopping up from the middles.

i've mentioned it a couple of times and others have as well, if you look at some of the tries we've conceded more often than not you'll see currie or holmes not even trying to effect a tackle.

thats whats annoyed me more than anything else with the pair of them, thats why i was demanding they be dropped, that isn't a 'play themselves back into form' situation, thats a lack of effort and most definitely a CBA.

Dare I say it, that we may have missed all the tackling Hughes did?

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Season debrief, send in your questions : Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:07 pm  

Captain Hook wrote: Dare I say it, that we may have missed all the tackling Hughes did? on one side possibly, have a look at this set of 'highlights' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv41WfDrg7Y look at the salford tries and the lack of involvement from currie and holmes in most of them

Captain Hook wrote: Dare I say it, that we may have missed all the tackling Hughes did? on one side possibly, have a look at this set of 'highlights' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv41WfDrg7Y look at the salford tries and the lack of involvement from currie and holmes in most of them

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Season debrief, send in your questions : Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:14 pm  

same thing in this game as well, i know other people have mentioned currie's lack of effort on goal line defence, but in most cases you can see the pair of them, sort of just there in the back ground on a lot of tries. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2il9psYquw

same thing in this game as well, i know other people have mentioned currie's lack of effort on goal line defence, but in most cases you can see the pair of them, sort of just there in the back ground on a lot of tries. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2il9psYquw

Re: Season debrief, send in your questions : Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:28 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote: on one side possibly, have a look at this set of 'highlights' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv41WfDrg7Y look at the salford tries and the lack of involvement from currie and holmes in most of them The striking thing for me in this is how blatantly obvious is that the players aren’t trying to do the same thing. Look at the Cross try scored at 24-8, critics will blame Currie on this for leaving Ratchford exposed, but if you look back further, there is an intention from Currie and Walker to get off the line and cut down space/time, which isn’t matched by Bullock or Harrison. Bullock is a yard or two behind Walker’s position, meaning Walker can’t move off and slide until the hall has passed him. Currie sinks in to take the ‘lead’ who should be Walker’s man which leaves the space outside him, which Ratchford is slow to close down, so he has to hold off and buy time, resulting in a passive legs tackle and ultimately allowed to offload. Similarly, the next try, Matautia has gone up fast, Holmes hasn’t, huge gap behind Matautia for a walk in. There isn’t necessarily a right answer (in my opinion) about whether to shoot out or slide on your try line, but you all need to do the same thing.

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote: on one side possibly, have a look at this set of 'highlights' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv41WfDrg7Y look at the salford tries and the lack of involvement from currie and holmes in most of them The striking thing for me in this is how blatantly obvious is that the players aren’t trying to do the same thing. Look at the Cross try scored at 24-8, critics will blame Currie on this for leaving Ratchford exposed, but if you look back further, there is an intention from Currie and Walker to get off the line and cut down space/time, which isn’t matched by Bullock or Harrison. Bullock is a yard or two behind Walker’s position, meaning Walker can’t move off and slide until the hall has passed him. Currie sinks in to take the ‘lead’ who should be Walker’s man which leaves the space outside him, which Ratchford is slow to close down, so he has to hold off and buy time, resulting in a passive legs tackle and ultimately allowed to offload. Similarly, the next try, Matautia has gone up fast, Holmes hasn’t, huge gap behind Matautia for a walk in. There isn’t necessarily a right answer (in my opinion) about whether to shoot out or slide on your try line, but you all need to do the same thing.

Re: Season debrief, send in your questions : Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:10 pm  

Barbed Wire wrote:

The striking thing for me in this is how blatantly obvious is that the players aren’t trying to do the same thing.

This is why I am sceptical of Powell. Fair enough blame 1st May, blame out of contract players, blame culture, blame whatever, but surely there is no excuse for not looking drilled defensively in the basics?

Re: Season debrief, send in your questions : Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:24 pm  

And this is also why he only has 6 games IMO and blooding youngsters in them wouldn’t mitigate an excuse. The reason being I expect to see an enthusiastic and coherent defence from the get go and seeing one or two youngsters make individual defensive mistakes would have no bearing on the overall picture….as it didn’t last season.

I actually think 1 game would be enough to see if he has even tried to address those issues.

Re: Season debrief, send in your questions : Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:26 pm  

Currently I am mainly wearing… the pack will be a completely different outfit next season. The 2 Aussies come with quite a pedigree and while that is no guarantee, I’m hoping that they bring a professional attitude which rubs off. Sparking fresh enthusiasm in players like Currie and Clark.

Re: Season debrief, send in your questions : Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:38 pm  

Captain Hook wrote:

Currently I am mainly wearing… the pack will be a completely different outfit next season. The 2 Aussies come with quite a pedigree and while that is no guarantee, I’m hoping that they bring a professional attitude which rubs off. Sparking fresh enthusiasm in players like Currie and Clark.

The professional attitude should come from within the core of the club and be ingrained. Like I should imagine it is at Saints, Leeds, Wigan etc.

As it stands you are saying our fortunes are dependent on 2 aussies at the twilight of their careers.

Re: Season debrief, send in your questions : Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:18 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

The professional attitude should come from within the core of the club and be ingrained. Like I should imagine it is at Saints, Leeds, Wigan etc.

As it stands you are saying our fortunes are dependent on 2 aussies at the twilight of their careers.

That’s not what I said. I expressed my hopes. As for the “core” of the club, assuming DP was accurate then close to half the squad has changed. There is no “core”, unlike Saints and Wigan who have kept a stable squad.
I’m not sure why me expressing what I hope the new signings will bring could be considered controversial?