Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:16 pm  

ratticusfinch wrote:

It'd be like man city finishing second in the league, runners up in FA cup...they wouldn't be happy with that.

They did that, in the 2012/13 season. Mancini was duly fired, three days later.
Smith is bulletproof

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:25 pm  

We've took risks with props thinking we can buy a Hill after Hill. No such look...England, AsItEasy, Cox.

Lefty I have been vocal in my long memory of LB. He was great only following his near exile to Barrow.
Prior to that, his great games were infrequent.

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:35 pm  

I've been lambasted (sp?) on our Facebook for saying what many of you are on here. This year, in my book has been a failure. The LLS is nice but frankly means jack sheet now. There should be more reward for coming top, say, putting you straight into the gf. And a bigger trophy. For having the audacity to say these things I've been called a football fan, a glory hunter, ungrateful. For the record my first Wire game was v Hull KR at Wilderspool in the days of Jiffy and Brian Johnson if memory serves. Think I was 5 or 6. I've known Wire mediocrity most of my near 30 years. So, stuff your glory hunter.

But, reality check: This year, we've achieved nothing more than past years. We've not progressed in the honours stakes since 2011. The big one still eludes us. We're a joke to the rest. We've lost two previous grand finals and haven't learnt win the one that we should have won easily. Maybe I'm not giving the pies credit. Wigan lost their last two and come back to win it. THAT is progression. That is growth. We haven't grown. Questions need asking. But since I ask them, I'm not a true fan. I should blindly clap second best. The 'taking part' hasn't been what it's been about since I played for junior Laportes!

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:50 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

Lefty I have been vocal in my long memory of LB. He was great only following his near exile to Barrow.
Prior to that, his great games were infrequent.

Now come on this is unfair. I took a long time to be won over to LB because I felt in the early days he was a player who was great but inconsistent and was overrated by a lot of people BUT there was year on year improvement and from 2006 onwards he was consistently top class, even before TS came.

A great example of a player who was headed down the familiar story of "could have been so much better" but improved himself midway through his career, and fulfilled his ability over the last 7 years.

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:00 pm  

You can have your opinion Sally. I didn't doubt his talent. I question the frequency of its display.
Pre TS it was erratic, post Cullen it became consistent.
There it lies with Lee. I never said he was pants. He was reluctant and or lazy class and he was great class. I saw no steady incline in his rise to his swan song.

[Uncle Rico]

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:17 am  

matt_wire wrote:

I've been lambasted (sp?) on our Facebook for saying what many of you are on here. This year, in my book has been a failure. The LLS is nice but frankly means jack sheet now. There should be more reward for coming top, say, putting you straight into the gf. And a bigger trophy. For having the audacity to say these things I've been called a football fan, a glory hunter, ungrateful. For the record my first Wire game was v Hull KR at Wilderspool in the days of Jiffy and Brian Johnson if memory serves. Think I was 5 or 6. I've known Wire mediocrity most of my near 30 years. So, stuff your glory hunter.

But, reality check: This year, we've achieved nothing more than past years. We've not progressed in the honours stakes since 2011. The big one still eludes us. We're a joke to the rest. We've lost two previous grand finals and haven't learnt win the one that we should have won easily. Maybe I'm not giving the pies credit. Wigan lost their last two and come back to win it. THAT is progression. That is growth. We haven't grown. Questions need asking. But since I ask them, I'm not a true fan. I should blindly clap second best. The 'taking part' hasn't been what it's been about since I played for junior Laportes!

Sorry Matt you sound like a passionate fan and you are entitled to your opinion but the only thing I can agree with is that the LLS should carry greater esteem.

We have grown as club haven't we? We were a hairs breath of the treble FWIW I really fancied us last night but we came up short in the FINAL whilst at Wembley I thought on balance we perhaps deserved the win not taking anything away from FC that's sport. A lot of ifs and buts maybe but re read your own post "Wigan lost their last two and came back to win it" Our day may or may not come but we are doing a bit better than "taking part" fine, fine margins mate we've not been soundly thrashed and the age of this squad gives us something to build on next year

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:07 am  

But the LLS doesn't carry greater esteem so people need stop talking about it as a proper trophy.

If it did carry greater esteem who is to say we would have won it... All the top teams would have been solely focused on winning it, rather than building their season towards the GF.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:29 am  

I will say, what I said at the end of 2006, we beat Leeds in the play offs, we win at wigan and did the double over Bradford iirc, it's all window dressing that papered over some severe cracks in the season, I was in favour of moving Cullen on then, And I'm in favour of moving Tony on now.

Pay him off his severance for his new contract, shake his hand for what he's done, but get someone new in.

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:33 am  

matt_wire wrote:

I've been lambasted (sp?) on our Facebook for saying what many of you are on here. This year, in my book has been a failure. The LLS is nice but frankly means jack sheet now. There should be more reward for coming top, say, putting you straight into the gf. And a bigger trophy. For having the audacity to say these things I've been called a football fan, a glory hunter, ungrateful. For the record my first Wire game was v Hull KR at Wilderspool in the days of Jiffy and Brian Johnson if memory serves. Think I was 5 or 6. I've known Wire mediocrity most of my near 30 years. So, stuff your glory hunter.

But, reality check: This year, we've achieved nothing more than past years. We've not progressed in the honours stakes since 2011. The big one still eludes us. We're a joke to the rest. We've lost two previous grand finals and haven't learnt win the one that we should have won easily. Maybe I'm not giving the pies credit. Wigan lost their last two and come back to win it. THAT is progression. That is growth. We haven't grown. Questions need asking. But since I ask them, I'm not a true fan. I should blindly clap second best. The 'taking part' hasn't been what it's been about since I played for junior Laportes!

This attitude is why you men are seen as a joke.

You've narrowly lost the two major finals and you're complaining? You've got ideas above your station.

Re: Some home truths....this may hurt : Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:39 am  

Code: Select all by Suzy Banyon wrote: This attitude is why you men are seen as a joke. You've narrowly lost the two major finals and you're complaining? You've got ideas above your station. No we have had the investment, squad and facilities to win a grand final for the majority of the last ten years, and failed to do so. It's time for a change.

Code: Select all by Suzy Banyon wrote: This attitude is why you men are seen as a joke. You've narrowly lost the two major finals and you're complaining? You've got ideas above your station. No we have had the investment, squad and facilities to win a grand final for the majority of the last ten years, and failed to do so. It's time for a change.