: Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:33 pm  

Dave T wrote:

And so would everybody else including the board.

Smith even stated in his interviews when he joined that we approached him before we appointed Lowes.

Well why didn't they get him after the World Cup? Or even during, or before, a la Bobby Robson with England and PSV in 'Italia Noventa'.

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:44 pm  

worthing wire wrote:

Well why didn't they get him after the World Cup? Or even during, or before, a la Bobby Robson with England and PSV in 'Italia Noventa'.

You'd have to ask them, but I assume that they weren't panicking after a poor end to the season, where injuries played a big part.

They had made the decision that Lowes would do a good job for the 18mnths until Smith was ready (so it seems) and to change their mind during pre-season would have been unheard of.

Nobody, even the most cynical on here expected such a poor start to this year, and the team to look so far off.

Smith probably returned from Oz at the end of November, when the pre-season plans will have already been drafted and underway, I don't understand why you feel they may have got him at that stage anyway.

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:53 pm  

all simon moran has done is appoint a former warrington player and fans favourite as a coach,back him to the hilt until it became clear that it wasn't working out.
is blocked from signing the current coach,makes an internal appointment to create a core stability,signs current coach after finally getting clearance.
put this along with saving the club from going into administration bringing players with the calibre and profile of langer,johns,morley,gleeson et al(regardless of how they have performed) to an unsuccessful club.
that in my book is what any sporting club wants out of it's owner.

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:59 pm  

the tache is back wrote:

all simon moran has done is appoint a former warrington player and fans favourite as a coach,back him to the hilt until it became clear that it wasn't working out.
is blocked from signing the current coach,makes an internal appointment to create a core stability,signs current coach after finally getting clearance.
put this along with saving the club from going into administration bringing players with the calibre and profile of langer,johns,morley,gleeson et al(regardless of how they have performed) to an unsuccessful club.
that in my book is what any sporting club wants out of it's owner.

You are a wise man my friend

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:05 pm  

Dave T wrote:

You'd have to ask them, but I assume that they weren't panicking after a poor end to the season, where injuries played a big part.

They had made the decision that Lowes would do a good job for the 18mnths until Smith was ready (so it seems) and to change their mind during pre-season would have been unheard of.

Nobody, even the most cynical on here expected such a poor start to this year, and the team to look so far off.

Smith probably returned from Oz at the end of November, when the pre-season plans will have already been drafted and underway, I don't understand why you feel they may have got him at that stage anyway.

Because they got him a few months later when his situation was exactly the same...

All I'm saying is if 'the board' had approached Smith earlier last year, having identified him as 'the one', then surely all they had to do was say 'look the job's yours as soon as England go out, Lowes is a caretaker, etc, etc.'
Surely not beyond the capabilities of a forward-thinking, decisive, go-ahead board of directors......oh, wait.

Like I said earlier, I'm glad we've got Smith. It's just the ham-fisted way Warrington frequently seem to go about things that irks me somewhat.

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:46 pm  

worthing wire wrote:

Because they got him a few months later when his situation was exactly the same...

All I'm saying is if 'the board' had approached Smith earlier last year, having identified him as 'the one', then surely all they had to do was say 'look the job's yours as soon as England go out, Lowes is a caretaker, etc, etc.'
Surely not beyond the capabilities of a forward-thinking, decisive, go-ahead board of directors......oh, wait.

Like I said earlier, I'm glad we've got Smith. It's just the ham-fisted way Warrington frequently seem to go about things that irks me somewhat.

I'm not convinced that somthing would have been sorted within a week of England going out of the Cup, and I suspect that Smith's original plan was to see out his England contract prior to joining us, so I don't blive we could have made him an offer to join as soon as they were knocked out.

Personally, I feel if England had gone on to win the World Cup for example, Smith's job would have taken on a new level for England this year. I would have expected Internationals to step up a level in importance. After we finished like we did, I suspect he is wary that his England role would not necessarily be extended, so he was more open to the Warrington job, at the expense of his technical director role.

I am pretty confident that when they were trying to land Smith they would have had a discussion around whether he could join after the WC.

Before the WC, Smith was on a winning streak with England and things were looking positive. Now they are much more negative, so I think that things have changed, and the circumstances are different.

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:42 pm  

worthing wire wrote:

Because they got him a few months later when his situation was exactly the same...

All I'm saying is if 'the board' had approached Smith earlier last year, having identified him as 'the one', then surely all they had to do was say 'look the job's yours as soon as England go out, Lowes is a caretaker, etc, etc.'
Surely not beyond the capabilities of a forward-thinking, decisive, go-ahead board of directors......oh, wait.

Like I said earlier, I'm glad we've got Smith. It's just the ham-fisted way Warrington frequently seem to go about things that irks me somewhat.

Newsflash Shaft! Have you considered that his employer at the time was unwilling to release their employee? I mean, heaven forbid they had pursued Smith since Cullen left, yet were rebuffed on numerous occasions.

Nah, that wouldn't fit the incompertent slant.

: Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:59 am  

getdownmonkeyman wrote:

Newsflash Shaft! Have you considered that his employer at the time was unwilling to release their employee? I mean, heaven forbid they had pursued Smith since Cullen left, yet were rebuffed on numerous occasions.

Nah, that wouldn't fit the incompertent slant.

They haven't fully released him yet

: Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:46 am  

worthing wire wrote:

They haven't fully released him yet

The point being - you seem to be asking why didn't Warrington try to get Smith earlier than they did. The answer is simple - they did. Originally, the RFL simply refused to release him from his full time duties with them. Also, he may have been reluctant to give them up so early into them and was probably fully focused on trying to win the World Cup. As far as you know, we may have tried to get him again as soon as England were knocked out and perhaps he wasn't willing to join at that stage, still being caught up in the WC fallout. Plus, perhaps having given Lowes an 18 month contract, they felt it fair to at least give him a chance?

: Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:52 am  

SEB wrote:

The point being - you seem to be asking why didn't Warrington try to get Smith earlier than they did. The answer is simple - they did. Originally, the RFL simply refused to release him from his full time duties with them. Also, he may have been reluctant to give them up so early into them and was probably fully focused on trying to win the World Cup. As far as you know, we may have tried to get him again as soon as England were knocked out and perhaps he wasn't willing to join at that stage, still being caught up in the WC fallout. Plus, perhaps having given Lowes an 18 month contract, they felt it fair to at least give him a chance?

Nah.