Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:25 am  

Surely due diligence on McGuire would have exposed a few red flags. While there’s no doubt he was a good player, his career has been tarnished with suspension and disciplinary issues spreading from hair pulling to abusing officials. Leaders come in all shapes and sizes, and Morley was a leader with a colourful disciplinary record, but that was largely for “big bloke hitting another big bloke” type issues, which clubs are more likely to roll the dice on. We must have looked at the behavioural pattern and took a calculated risk on him. Can’t say there were no warning signs.

The same could be said of Vaughan in truth, I think he was sacked by St George on his “third strike” for off field issues.

If we’re looking for a squeaky clean, behavioural led, rebuild, then we’re going the wrong was about it. I’d argue we have gone willingly into these more risky deals because they were cheaper, owing to the risk.

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:32 am  

Lord Tony Smith wrote:

He's an Everton fan which explains the clear acceptance of mediocrity.

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

As an Everton motto the textbook definition of irony.

If only it was true of the wire although I do wish we would try to live more to our own Latin motto at times.

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:38 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

As an Everton fan I know about how pointless and damaging it is sacking managers at the whim of moron fans who poop their pants everytime they have a few bad results, or believe they have a manager who isn't good enough for their club...

'A few bad results' without the risk of repeating myself this is more than 'a few bad results'. Daryl Powell has lost 23 SL games out of 43 meaning we have lost over half of the games he has coached. In addition, he has also never managed to beat Wigan or Saints here having played them both a total of 7 times losing 7. We genuinley haven't played well since week 7 - that's almost 3 months ago.

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:39 pm  

To take on the big boys ,we need to play like the big boys . All this standing off at ptb is losing us too much ground whereas the teams doing well are the teams who rush the ptb and keep the team in possession starved of go forward. Playing the ref is what they do ,knowing it is not in the interests of the spectacle of the game for the ref to enforce too many infringements.
As far as our present team goes ,we had a good start but other teams have caught up & overtaken us & maybe some of the better babies, that we could do with now, were thrown away with the bathwater.

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Mon Jun 26, 2023 9:19 pm  

Barbed Wire wrote:

Surely due diligence on McGuire would have exposed a few red flags.

Due diligence being "2 minutes of googling his name".

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:30 am  

Answer to the question… Very!

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:16 am  

I wonder what due diligence found on Les Boyd?

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:53 am  

fez1 wrote:

I wonder what due diligence found on Les Boyd?

There was no law west of Wigan in those days.

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:01 am  

karetaker wrote:

There was no law west of Wigan in those days.

Or google.

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Wed Jun 28, 2023 1:17 pm  

Good topic.

I’ve always believed, you don’t particularly need to be a great tactical coach/ ex player to be successful.

My thought process…if Alex Ferguson walked into the HJ and offered to put things right. I am 100% convinced that he would.