Re: Luke Yates Confirmed : Mon May 27, 2024 8:24 pm  

Sparky1967 wrote:

Why is it poor business when we’ve probably trebled what we’ve paid for him eighteen months ago. He would have left the year after for nothing if we had stood in his way.
There is no doubt the lad is going to be a very good player if he stops getting these little niggling injuries.
Matty Peet was visibly annoyed when he left Wigan. You don’t often see a coach express those emotions.
Hopefully Warrington will still get a fully focused and injury free player for the rest of the season. Looking at celebrations on social media he his still fully committed.

I agree Matt Peet was annoyed and rightly so, the lad is a star in the making there is no doubt about that in my mind, he just needs good luck with injuries. Are you so sure that you have trebled your outlay? Anyway, do you think Yates is better, as good, or worse?

Re: Luke Yates Confirmed : Mon May 27, 2024 9:05 pm  

Zig wrote:

Of course it’s relevant, losing one player and gaining another has a bearing on the team/squad. Also, the salary Yates is commanding will be in excess of the salary Nicholson receives. You also need to factor in the loss of a non-federation trained player. Regarding your comment about Nicholson, I assume you don’t think he will make it in the NRL?

My own view is that you have lost a lad who I believe will become an international forward but you have gained a workaholic. Nicholson has a super smart agent, I can’t believe that Fitzpatrick agreed to such a clause in his contract. In effect, Fitzpatrick agreed to pay Wigan a transfer fee without any guarantee that Nicholson would stay more than 18 months. I call that poor business.

The transfer fee that Wigan received for a teenager that they neglected to tie down with a contract would have been the absolute minimum under the RFL rules and would have been peanuts.

The fee was associated with the training he had received, playing as an Academy Player.

He was offered a deal at Warrington that was due to start at the end of his Wigan contract.

Wigan chose to release Nicholson early when they realised that they had made a mistake.

There is a report in the Warrington Guardian, that Wire will be entitled to a transfer fee to any NRL club that signs Nicholson.

He is now an established Superleague player, so they will have to pay a lot more for him than Warrington did.

Re: Luke Yates Confirmed : Mon May 27, 2024 10:09 pm  

Boss Hog wrote:

The transfer fee that Wigan received for a teenager that they neglected to tie down with a contract would have been the absolute minimum under the RFL rules and would have been peanuts.

The fee was associated with the training he had received, playing as an Academy Player.

He was offered a deal at Warrington that was due to start at the end of his Wigan contract.

Wigan chose to release Nicholson early when they realised that they had made a mistake.

There is a report in the Warrington Guardian, that Wire will be entitled to a transfer fee to any NRL club that signs Nicholson.

He is now an established Superleague player, so they will have to pay a lot more for him than Warrington did.

Mate, where have I said that Wire will not get a transfer fee? Back to my original question, do you think Yates is as good as Nicholson?

Re: Luke Yates Confirmed : Mon May 27, 2024 10:46 pm  

Zig wrote:

Mate, where have I said that Wire will not get a transfer fee? Back to my original question, do you think Yates is as good as Nicholson?

I would say no, I hope the club can find a way to persuade him to stay. For what it’s worth I’m not a fan of Yates. Since he was linked to us and now confirmed I’ve seen nothing that would get him in to our current starting 17. And that says a lot about our improvement under Burgess because till this season I would not have had Currie or Philbin in the team. Like I said in reply to your comment on King people can change their minds.

Re: Luke Yates Confirmed : Mon May 27, 2024 11:02 pm  

karetaker wrote:

I would say no, I hope the club can find a way to persuade him to stay. For what it’s worth I’m not a fan of Yates. Since he was linked to us and now confirmed I’ve seen nothing that would get him in to our current starting 17. And that says a lot about our improvement under Burgess because till this season I would not have had Currie or Philbin in the team. Like I said in reply to your comment on King people can change their minds.

Thank you and I too have changed my mind many times. For what it is worth I agree with you. What really worries me is that SL is losing one of its rising stars. Unlike some, I would sooner see players like Nicholson signing for other SL teams than moving to the NRL. The standards of our game continue to decline.

Re: Luke Yates Confirmed : Tue May 28, 2024 7:56 am  

I think with the signings from Super league to the NRL I wonder if its a case of " Because we can", It's the best League with the best players week in week out. He can only get better over there with the right mindset and most likely a future international. good look to the kid.

Re: Luke Yates Confirmed : Tue May 28, 2024 8:08 am  

easyWire wrote:

Plus, the biggest loss we are facing happens at the end of next season when Burgess goes.

I wouldn't be surprised if Burgess signed an extension with us from what I've heard.

Re: Luke Yates Confirmed : Tue May 28, 2024 8:45 am  

Lord Tony Smith wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if Burgess signed an extension with us from what I've heard.

Most NRL assistant coaches that move to Superleague as Head Coaches rarely stay in the UK for long if they are successful here.

They return to Australia for the money, lifestyle, family commitments etc.

Burgess is different, with both him and his partner being from the North of England, so it's possible he could stay for a while.

There is no doubt he will return to coach in the NRL ultimately though.

When he does go, hopefully we will in a good position for someone else to take over seamlessly.

Re: Luke Yates Confirmed : Tue May 28, 2024 9:32 am  

Zig wrote:

I agree Matt Peet was annoyed and rightly so, the lad is a star in the making there is no doubt about that in my mind, he just needs good luck with injuries. Are you so sure that you have trebled your outlay? Anyway, do you think Yates is better, as good, or worse?

You would like to think that Warrington will receive more than they initially paid. Again it just assuming off media reports just like yours is an assumption of the original deal.
As for better player. He is certainly out performing Luke Yates at the present moment but the guy his only 18 months into his professional career. Luke Yates as been performing professionally at a consistent level for 10 years.
As I’ve already quoted I think he has the potential to be a top rugby league player but at the moment is not on par with Ben Currie a similar age.
Currie suffered 2 really bad cruciate injuries which derailed him from being a massive player and whose to say it won’t happen to Nicholson so with the potential of it be a short career you take the most money on the table whilst probably having a great lifestyle in Australia.

Re: Luke Yates Confirmed : Tue May 28, 2024 10:06 am  

Makes a change for the NRL to come snooping at our door.
Long time since that happened.
Maybe shows how far we've come as a club.