Re: Brad Dwyer : Sun May 14, 2023 3:34 pm  

ratticusfinch wrote:

As much as I like Clark I’m not on board with this ‘he deserves a title with Saints’ cobblers. Maybe he does but I certainly don’t want to see it and wish him absolutely no luck whatsoever whilst playing for them. I hope he wins nothing during his time there.

I don't wish it at our expense obviously.

Re: Brad Dwyer : Sun May 14, 2023 7:36 pm  

ratticusfinch wrote:

As much as I like Clark I’m not on board with this ‘he deserves a title with Saints’ cobblers. Maybe he does but I certainly don’t want to see it and wish him absolutely no luck whatsoever whilst playing for them. I hope he wins nothing during his time there.

"He deserves to get to a final with Saints" would be the correct phraseology

Re: Brad Dwyer : Sun May 14, 2023 7:56 pm  

ratticusfinch wrote:

As much as I like Clark I’m not on board with this ‘he deserves a title with Saints’ cobblers. Maybe he does but I certainly don’t want to see it and wish him absolutely no luck whatsoever whilst playing for them. I hope he wins nothing during his time there.

Yes, this!

Re: Brad Dwyer : Mon May 15, 2023 10:36 am  

What does it say about us if Clark thinks he has zero chance of winning a GF ring at Wire and his best opportunity lies with Saints?
Sorry, but I didn’t buy such bollox.

If Clarkey is leaving Wire, it’s about money and contract.

Re: Brad Dwyer : Mon May 15, 2023 11:21 am  

rubber duckie wrote:

What does it say about us if Clark thinks he has zero chance of winning a GF ring at Wire and his best opportunity lies with Saints?
Sorry, but I didn’t buy such bollox.

If Clarkey is leaving Wire, it’s about money and contract.

For clarity, as it seems it is needed.

1. I don't wish success on other teams at the expense of Warrington.
2. It is arguable that Saints are more likely to win a GF in the next 3 years than us.
3. If Clark wins a GF with us I will be delighted.
4. If Clark wins a GF with Saints I will be pleased for him personally despite my dislike of Saints.

Re: Brad Dwyer : Mon May 15, 2023 12:30 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

For clarity, as it seems it is needed.

1. I don't wish success on other teams at the expense of Warrington.
2. It is arguable that Saints are more likely to win a GF in the next 3 years than us.
3. If Clark wins a GF with us I will be delighted.
4. If Clark wins a GF with Saints I will be pleased for him personally despite my dislike of Saints.

I knew you what you meant Wires - just for clarification if Clark wins a GF with Saints I would NOT be pleased for him, not in the slightest. 40+ years following this mob has made me bitter and twisted.

Re: Brad Dwyer : Mon May 15, 2023 12:42 pm  

totally underwhelmed by the prospect of signing Dwyer. I watched him play for Hull the other night and thought to myself "I'm glad we got rid of him!"...if Clark goes to Saints, for me, thats a MASSIVE mistake. The fact they want he tells me we should be trying harder to keep him.

Re: Brad Dwyer : Mon May 15, 2023 12:51 pm  

Oxford Exile wrote:

totally underwhelmed by the prospect of signing Dwyer. I watched him play for Hull the other night and thought to myself "I'm glad we got rid of him!"...if Clark goes to Saints, for me, thats a MASSIVE mistake. The fact they want he tells me we should be trying harder to keep him.

Salary cap is a big factor in this. We have an excellent hooker developing in Walker, is he a good as Clark is right now, its debateable but probably not, although he is a much more rounded hooker. There could be £80k difference between what we are paying Clark and what we would pay Dwyer, which would allow us to strengthen other areas in need. Add in to that Clark will be 31 start of next year, Walker (I think) will be 24.

Re: Brad Dwyer : Mon May 15, 2023 12:59 pm  

I’m with A7 on this. Rumour has it Saints offered DC a 3 year contract, Would we have been happy about that? I wouldn’t. D Walker will be on much improved terms so salary cap comes into play. Dwyer should be seen as a replacement bench hooker NOT as a direct replacement for Clark.
I also agree that Danny Walker has more variety in his game and potentially could go no to be a real class act. This is not to denigrate Clark in any way who has been a great player for us. Fact is as you climb the ladder you sometimes have to let players go before you want to. happens to both Saints and Wigan regularly.
Ps have I mentioned that Danny Walker was my “one to watch” for this season?

Re: Brad Dwyer : Mon May 15, 2023 1:03 pm  

Yes I think we'd all prefer Walker and Clark to Walker and Dwyer but I do think by doing this we are spending our cap more wisely if it allows us to bring in a quality centre and a quality second row.

Clark will probably smash it at Saints but it's still the right decision all in all.