Well, you say that about LMS but we do need someone to wave his arms about excitedly while doing a Michael Macintyre impersonation so maybe there's a role there for him.

Saints will be the team to beat though - can't see anyone else touching them.

Maybe the best time to judge saints is when they've played a team that keeps 13 players on the field.

They’d battered Catalans well before Napa left the field and they would’ve done for Hull easily even if Gale stayed on. They were well on top when he departed.

Saints look good in poor conditions they made a lot of errors first half but that's probably to be expected, they dealt with the conditions well.

Chris Kendall is a shocking referee, I mean for both teams, nothing to do with the result today (or the red card which was deserved) but there is so much he misses and he is inconsistent in his decisions ping poor PTB early then anything goes for walmsley play on. He makes wrong calls a plenty too. I think be should be sent to the championship, hopelessly poor referee IMO.

They have played to the very obvious limits of foul play but Saints are no angels. They twist every rule to the absolute limit. I’m not talking foul play but things like time wasting, feigning injury, milking penalties etc. Saints are the benchmark side, they’re so untraditional when it comes to what you expect of a Saints side and are as tough as they come but the gamesmanship on show is getting tedious, I must admit.

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LMS is a pantomime villain and windup merchant I'll give you that, but other than him what are you talking about? Lomax got studded on his shin, that's going to sting a little if you're talking about that? Time wasting?

This isn’t just today, this is the Woolf era of players going down umpteen times a game with injuries to give your defence breathers (Lomax and previously Coote being the masters), and waste time/restore energy, playing for penalties (as Welsby did today) and Walmsley rolling around and moving off the mark constantly. Add in the old post challenge cup final ‘Covid’ debacle and Woolf is the new Michael Maguire in pushing every rule, for every single percent he can get, in any area he can find, to help win games.

That’s absolutely fine but Saints shouldn’t get a free ride and should be called out on it, just as Brett Hodgson called Welsby out after the game.

Hmm as anyone ever witnessed Walmsley playing the ball on the mark, think it’s rare as hens teeth.

How very dare you? Only Chris Hill ever feigned injury, although now he’s at Huddersfield the mantle of time wasting has passed to Whizzy Rascal.

Saints good team poor winners and even poorer losers..

I call this new green card ‘The Saints Card’

Make of that what you will.

I hope Lomax has got over his 14 injuries today.

Lomax is the whiniest rugby league player since the king of it… Wellens. That club, despite what they may say, started the footballification of RL with the moaning and berating of refs. Winning culture but a horrible one. Sick of getting battered by Wigan in the 80s early 90s they decided to sell their soul. To be fair they got a decent pay out.