: Wed May 27, 2009 6:31 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

You said "Had he not been appointed we would have been in what was then NL 1, and we may not have got back into SL".

No evidence to suggest we would have been relegated without his appointment. And there is no evidence to suggest we would not have got back into SL if we were, indeed, relegated. That is why you are wrong.

However saying "had we have won none from 6, it was bye bye" is correct.

There never is any evidence for things that never happened

: Wed May 27, 2009 9:03 pm  

Teessidewire wrote:

You still haven't told me why I'm wrong. Point is, had we won none out of 6, it was bye bye.

Yes i did.

: Wed May 27, 2009 9:47 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

You said "Had he not been appointed we would have been in what was then NL 1, and we may not have got back into SL".

No evidence to suggest we would have been relegated without his appointment. And there is no evidence to suggest we would not have got back into SL if we were, indeed, relegated. That is why you are wrong.

However saying "had we have won none from 6, it was bye bye" is correct.

58-4 to Wigan's young team suggests to me Plange was heading into a strong downward spiral. The decision to replace him was the correct one.

Also there is no evidence to support had we been relegated, we would have been promoted, so he isn't wrong at all. He is offering up a theory that relegation would have seen this club be no more. More than likely it would have folded without the Sky cash.

As plausible as any other.

: Wed May 27, 2009 9:53 pm  

getdownmonkeyman wrote:

58-4 to Wigan's young team suggests to me Plange was heading into a strong downward spiral. The decision to replace him was the correct one

Does not support the argument that had PC not been appointed we would have been relegated.

We won 4 points will PC from a possible 12 when all said and done.

: Wed May 27, 2009 9:56 pm  

We were safe by the last 2 games though.
Also the signings of Nat Wood and Westwood proved huge especially as we were weakening one of our relegation rivals.
Those two players imo turned out to be 2 of our better ones in recent times.

: Wed May 27, 2009 9:57 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

Does not support the argument that had PC not been appointed we would have been relegated.

We won 4 points will PC from a possible 12 when all said and done.

Who is to say if we hadn't appointed PC, we would have gained those points to keep us from being relegated? The only actual fact is he coached the team that avoided relegation.

: Wed May 27, 2009 10:09 pm  

getdownmonkeyman wrote:

Who is to say if we hadn't appointed PC, we would have gained those points to keep us from being relegated? The only actual fact is he coached the team that avoided relegation.

The actual fact is that Anderson, Plange, and then PC coached the team that avoided relegation. It cannot all be attributed to PC. It's conjecture again on what would have happened in other circumstances.

In fact Plange inherited that team at rock bottom after a terrible start, and took us up two places to 10th - the position in which we finnished the season.

: Wed May 27, 2009 11:26 pm  

If Cullen hadn't secured our place in SL, having won two of his first four games in charge, those last two games could have bit us on the booty.

The simple fact is, those last two games were pretty much pointless, bar an incredible amount of points being scored by the bottom two, we were safe after Round 26.

I'll tell you one thing; there was no way in a million years that Plange's side would have won against Halifax away. The confidence drawn from that victory wasclearly visible, even fron the stands.

: Wed May 27, 2009 11:55 pm  

getdownmonkeyman wrote:

Who is to say if we hadn't appointed PC, we would have gained those points to keep us from being relegated? The only actual fact is he coached the team that avoided relegation.

Here here. Someone else MIGHT have kept us up? maybe, but there is of course no facts to back this. Cullen arrived and gave motivation to prevent the possible drop. We had 'fun' times under his leadership, KK football equivelent - doubt we would have won owt but we need to put things into perpective, he did keep us up, he was a wire legend in his playing days and to loose sight of the above is unfair or stupid. yes to progress he had to go but don't loose sight of what he did for the club please.

: Wed May 27, 2009 11:58 pm  

Planges best day in charge was that away day at the Boulevard in Hull. About 40 wire fans turned up and watched Lee Briers pop over drop goal after droap goal to deprive Hull of the ball. I think he scored 7 in that game alone.

That was was a real strange experience in RL terms